The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Moby

Elmar Brok, a German MEP and a former chair of the European parliament’s foreign affairs committee, has said an independent Scotland could rejoin the EU fairly quickly. “There is not a queue,” said Brok, who is a member of Angela Merkel’s CDU party. He told BBC Scotland: Scotland fulfils already now the conditions. There would be not much obstacles because all the laws already apply and are implemented in Scotland. So a lot of things which we have to negotiate with the candidate countries we have not to negotiate with Scotland because Scotland has already done it. If the political agreement would be there, then the process would be relatively speedy.

kabayiri

Moby wrote: »

Elmar Brok, a German MEP and a former chair of the European parliament’s foreign affairs committee, has said an independent Scotland could rejoin the EU fairly quickly. “There is not a queue,” said Brok, who is a member of Angela Merkel’s CDU party. He told BBC Scotland: Scotland fulfils already now the conditions. There would be not much obstacles because all the laws already apply and are implemented in Scotland. So a lot of things which we have to negotiate with the candidate countries we have not to negotiate with Scotland because Scotland has already done it. If the political agreement would be there, then the process would be relatively speedy.

So...there is no need to have a rush referendum on independence.

Wait until the dust settles on Brexit. Have a serious appraisal at that point. Present the facts to the voters, and let them decide.

Rinoa

sss555s wrote: »

Do you honestly think May should be there trying to bag this deal?

We can all play this game.

Do you believe Scotland should be polluting the planet by selling its fossil fuels?

Do you believe Scotland should be selling whisky thereby causing liver disease and the early deaths of so many people?

mollycat

kabayiri wrote: »

So...there is no need to have a rush referendum on independence.

Wait until the dust settles on Brexit. Have a serious appraisal at that point. Present the facts to the voters, and let them decide.

Preferred option is no 2nd referendum, (as agreed by both sides in 2014).

Anything else is a slap in the face of democracy.

Thrugelmir

Shakethedisease wrote: »

... oh now, that's enough about David Davies, no running commentaries and Theresa May swanning about Saudi for the last few days selling bombs instead of getting on with running the UK. This is a Scotland thread.

Maybe so. Love it or hate it. Currently Scotland needs the UK to do well. After all we are your biggest spending customer.

sss555s

Rinoa wrote: »

We can all play this game.

Do you believe Scotland should be polluting the planet by selling its fossil fuels?

Do you believe Scotland should be selling whisky thereby causing liver disease and the early deaths of so many people?

I wasn't quoting the ethics of the deal but if May actually had to be there.
It seems that she probably had to be there. The Saudis are massacring the Yemenis and need more arms to blast them to smithereens.
The UK has a long record of dodgy deals with Saudi (remember Mark Thatchers illegal arms deals?) and are hoping to shift a load to the Saudis after Obama put a halt to the arms deal they were negotiating with the Saudis (to "save Yemeni lives") just before Trump took over. Trump is trying to get the deal back on so May is over there under the share deal faux headline trying to swing the arms deal for the UK.
I suspect whoever comes up with the best arms deal will probably win the share deal which may be frustrating for Xavier Rolet being there.

Ethics! Let's not go there.

mayonnaise

kabayiri wrote: »

So...there is no need to have a rush referendum on independence.

Wait until the dust settles on Brexit. Have a serious appraisal at that point. Present the facts to the voters, and let them decide.

That's a bit like driving a car towards a cliff edge and telling your passenger 'don't worry, it might be okay, and if it's not okay, you can always get out downstairs'.

kabayiri

mayonnaise wrote: »

That's a bit like driving a car towards a cliff edge and telling your passenger 'don't worry, it might be okay, and if it's not okay, you can always get out downstairs'.

I thought the Remain argument was that voters did not have enough information to make a clear decision on EU independence.

And now, you're suggesting the Scottish voters have another independence based on even less clarity than before?

mayonnaise

kabayiri wrote: »

I thought the Remain argument was that voters did not have enough information to make a clear decision on EU independence.

And now, you're suggesting the Scottish voters have another independence based on even less clarity than before?

Theresa has made it abundantly clear;

- out of the EU
- out of the Single Market
- out of the Customs Union

What more clarity do you want?

Arklight

I had to go to the doctors today for the first time in ages.

When I used to call up last year you'd get a phone system and have a choice of morning times with one guaranteed pre work appointment.

Today I wasn't able to get an appointment with a GP until late afternoon and was greeted by a message from one of the doctors pleading with people not to make appointments unless they really need to see someone, and that you might be called back to see if you can be dealt with over the phone.

When I got there there were people queuing out the corridor and the normally considered consultations were back to the old 2 minute revolving door - just like things were the last time the Tories were in charge of the NHS.

This is because in January the main surgery in our town shut completely and 5000 patients were dispersed to all the small surgeries that can just about still hire doctors. There are at least 2 more surgeries at risk of closure due to staffing while that ~$$%$^$ of a health secretary is saying that doctors basically now need to work every day.

The local comp, which had just clambered it's way up to Satisfactory, has fallen back to Needs improvement in several areas. And more cuts on the way.

And this is all there ever is and all there will ever be with Tory governments. It doesn't matter how much money the country has they will never ever invest in health, education, housing, jobs or transport - or anything that will benefit normal people.

And this is why Scotland will vote to leave.