The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

cogito

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Bearing in mind this time last year it was almost impossible to imagine Cameron not being PM anymore, Osbourne as Chancellor etc.

Nicola Sturgeon has until May 2021 to be flexible with dates and ratification. Theresa May has to go back to the polls a full year earlier in 2020 with whatever deal or no deal she has up until that point. And we can't rule out events such as Corbyn resigning and a new more effective Labour leader entering stage left.

Neither of them have the luxury of kicking cans down any long roads. Not for May with the EU and not for Sturgeon for a second vote. And anyway since Nicola Strugeon has said she'll be outlining the 'next steps' in a few weeks time, it's probably safe to say that she's not hanging out with this. I would guess because of that risk of May walking away altogether in a few months time given all the rumours flying about.

https://twitter.com/SamCoatesTimes/status/849306924780847106

Equally, you can't rule out any of these kind of things happening in Scotland.

And 'given all the rumours flying about', this is probably more wishful thinking on the part of SNP supporters.

kabayiri

islandannie wrote: »

Any chance you can tell ordinary Scottish citizens how you propose to pay for Scottish voters benefits?

Well, it seems clear to me.

Ordinary Scottish citizens need to hop on a plane; vamoosh it over to Stamford; and charge them for a presentation or two. That's how you pay for bennies.

It doesn't really matter what you say, just alternate between phrases based on "self determination" and "renewables".

Rinoa

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-39501748

Scottish economic output contracted by 0.2% in the final quarter of last year, according to official figures.
The fall contrasted with growth of 0.7% for the UK as a whole.
Scottish government statisticians found output was flat in the service sector - and down in production and construction, by 0.9% and 0.8% respectively.
Scottish GDP grew by 0.4% over the calendar year - compared with growth of 1.8% for the UK as a whole

I guess that's what happens when you neglect the day job whilst creating massive uncertainty for business.

Thrugelmir

Rinoa wrote: »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-39501748

I guess that's what happens when you neglect the day job whilst creating massive uncertainty for business.

Managing the economy is of no particular interest. So isn't the day job.

TrickyTree83

Rinoa wrote: »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-39501748

I guess that's what happens when you neglect the day job whilst creating massive uncertainty for business.

It'll be blamed on Brexit without any thought as to why the rUK isn't suffering in the same way.

I'd put the blame on the SNP, if the rUK can manage growth there is no reason why Scotland shouldn't either with a larger slice of the pie than everyone else per head.

Instead of prescriptions and free university what about business growth initiatives?

I can see Nicola getting slaughtered over stats like this alongside the service statistics whilst she's been posturing overseas.

mrginge

Rinoa wrote: »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-39501748

I guess that's what happens when you neglect the day job whilst creating massive uncertainty for business.

Clearly this is all down to Westminster tories.

Mistermeaner

Yes but twitter and polls are what matters. Well apart from recently when the polls don't say what we want

Shakethedisease

Rinoa wrote: »

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-39501748

I guess that's what happens when you neglect the day job whilst creating massive uncertainty for business.

... oh now, that's enough about David Davies, no running commentaries and Theresa May swanning about Saudi for the last few days selling bombs instead of getting on with running the UK. This is a Scotland thread.

Sturgeon's speaking at the UN tonight ( love to be a fly on the way behind the scenes on that one ). But don't worry, she's left plenty of MSP's in charge of their various departments getting on with their day jobs. She doesn't run the whole Govt personally you might be surprised to hear.

Shakethedisease

Mistermeaner wrote: »

Yes but twitter and polls are what matters. Well apart from recently when the polls don't say what we want

At least Spain now is though.

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

It'll be blamed on Brexit without any thought as to why the rUK isn't suffering in the same way.

I'd put the blame on the SNP, if the rUK can manage growth there is no reason why Scotland shouldn't either with a larger slice of the pie than everyone else per head.

Instead of prescriptions and free university what about business growth initiatives?

I can see Nicola getting slaughtered over stats like this alongside the service statistics whilst she's been posturing overseas.

No. Because Davidson and Dugdale just aren't credible alternatives. Folks can look at the SNP and say 'hmm, not liking that'.. but then they have to turn round and see what else is on offer in Scotland. They're still hastily putting an X in the SNP box with relief after doing so.

Sturgeon's done fabulously well this week. Plaudits coming out of her ears from commentators over in the US. Almost as if Scotland were separate from the UK already ! :cool: Some good speeches also from Scottish MEP's at the EU parliament today too. Including a Labour MEP who is definitely on the turn and going to vote Yes.

You might also be interested in this article Tricky given our previous discussions on referendums and legalities. It condenses things down nicely into non legal speak. Scottish based journo's starting to catch on to the nitty gritty at last.

Here's How Nicola Sturgeon Could Hold An Independence Referendum Without May's Permission

Asked if such an argument could succeed, McHarg said: "It's arguable, and I'd say strengthened by the Supreme Court case [brought by Gina Miller], where the judges were all very clear that the effect of an advisory referendum was political not legal."

Professor Nick Barber, an expert in constitutional law from Oxford University, said: "The legal position is not clear, but I would take the view that the Scottish government could hold an advisory referendum on independence.

"Matters related to the Union are reserved, but whilst the Scottish parliament and government lack the power to make decisions within reserved areas it does not follow they lack the power to form opinions on these matters or to negotiate on these issues with Westminster.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamieross/heres-how-nicola-sturgeon-could-hold-an-independence?utm_term=.gxO1RoWe6Y#.cdqXr6ow37 ( full article at link ).

Westminster recognising the result of any such referendum is a different matter altogether.