The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

kabayiri

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Look face facts. No one here can give any actual answers to how Nicola Sturgeon and the Scottish Govt can 'fix' a Scottish recession. Despite going on like the toothache every time a report is released and insisting they can do so, but just don't want to and so they can blame Westminster instead.
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Facts, hmm.

Fact. You don't know if you will have enough support for another independence referendum.

Fact. You don't know what kind of economic impact Brexit will have either on Scotland or it's major trading neighbours.

Fact. You don't know what kind of animosity might emerge from the UK government, if the SNP continue to put their own interests first at the expense of the rest of the UK.

This discussion is just guesswork and projection. Too many unknowns for facts.

mollycat

Shakethedisease wrote: »

None of your concern afterwards. You'll have your own HUGE problems out of the EU and with Scotland gone should that be the case.

Sounds like someone is actually hoping Uk fails to further their own selfish agenda.

Even if UK did have "HUGE" problems following Brexit, these would exist in an exaggerated form in iScotland?

If we don't have an economy that can generate enough wealth to pay for services, or have the will to change our recently acquired dependency culture, what kind of iScotland will be living in?

Answer; Greece without the sun and ouzo!

Rinoa

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Look face facts. No one here can give any actual answers to how Nicola Sturgeon and the Scottish Govt can 'fix' a Scottish recession. Despite going on like the toothache every time a report is released and insisting they can do so, but just don't want to and so they can blame Westminster instead.

None of you have anything other than tired old vague soundbites to offer when it really comes down to it as the above posts prove.

Thought so.

Hmmm. Looks like we hit a raw nerve with this one.

TrickyTree83

Perhaps not the best time to say 'I told you so' then?

Sturgeon has 'no plans' for snap election over indyref2 - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-39538076

It never rains, it pours. All that hyping up the Indy lot have been doing to themselves and each other does appear to affect their clarity of thought. There will of course be no admission that some of us said this outcome would not come to pass, in the face of staunch resistance I might add.

Tromking

mollycat wrote: »

Sounds like someone is actually hoping Uk fails to further their own selfish agenda.

The Scots nationalists motivation(s) for independence is multi faceted.
From what I`ve gleaned from Shakey and her posts is that she uses the 'Tories' as a proxy for her deep antipathy toward the English.
The SNP have been very adept at tapping into the widely held cultural Scottish dislike of the English and it is concerning the amount of otherwise intelligent and rational Scots who have swallowed that line.
The burgeoning Unionist backlash electorally will do for the voices of separatism in Scotland and NI and not before time.

Thrugelmir

Rinoa wrote: »

Hmmm. Looks like we hit a raw nerve with this one.

Everyone knows that the SNP has no long term economic plan for Scotland.

Enterprise_1701C

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Everyone knows that the SNP has no long term economic plan for Scotland.

Why would they, they want an "independent" Scotland to immediately join the eu, stops them having to think about anything else, regardless of the fact that Scotland would cease to exist. It is well known that the eu wants to become the eu as a country rather than a group of countries, this might work in a couple of hundred years but not now.

Of course, what they have not taken into account is that the eu will cease to exist in its current form, too many countries are unhappy with it, and the euro is designed to wreck economies (other than that of Germany), it has brought Greece to its knees, they are due to default on their loans in spite of the eu scrabbling around to try to save the euro, they are desperate to hold onto it because it is what holds the eu together.

Thrugelmir

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

Why would they, they want an "independent" Scotland to immediately join the eu, stops them having to think about anything else, regardless of the fact that Scotland would cease to exist. It is well known that the eu wants to become the eu as a country rather than a group of countries, this might work in a couple of hundred years but not now.

The "EU" is only a collective. Scotland would still very much exist. The hand outs from Brussels have to financed. Scotland is very much "richer" than other parts of Europe. The first agenda point the EU is consider is how to fund their plans without the UK's net contribution.

Shakethedisease

kabayiri wrote: »

Facts, hmm.

Fact. You don't know if you will have enough support for another independence referendum.

Fact. You don't know what kind of economic impact Brexit will have either on Scotland or it's major trading neighbours.

Fact. You don't know what kind of animosity might emerge from the UK government, if the SNP continue to put their own interests first at the expense of the rest of the UK.

This discussion is just guesswork and projection. Too many unknowns for facts.

The facts are at the moment Scotland is part of the UK and not independent. I think we can both agree on that ? However there is a weird persistence on this board and elsewhere to refer to Scotland's economy and Govt as if both are independent already when it comes to 'fixing' Scotland's economic performances.

When pressed however and asked what tools and methods the Scottish Govt should use ( while Scotland is still within the UK ) there are only two answers ever given. 1) Is to insist that it's an excuse to blame Westminster, and the other 2) is to start carping on about Scotland coping when it is independent as if it's exactly the same thing as Scotland being a part of the UK.

You all know who really runs the economy, in Scotland and elsewhere in the UK. Sturgeon does her best with what she has.

Scotland's tourism industry may get a financial boost of up to £150m after a new partnership was announced with TripAdvisor.

Scotland First Minister Nicola Sturgeon has announced global travel website TripAdvisor has chosen Scotland's tourism agency as its first European partner in a deal expected to boost tourism spending by up to £150m.
The Scottish Government said the collaboration between VisitScotland and TripAdvisor will promote Scottish tourism to almost 70 million new potential visitors.

https://stv.tv/news/west-central/1385087-tripadvisor-partnership-may-boost-tourism-by-150m/


The rest of your facts are unknowns you're right. But I would correct you on the SNP thing and animosity towards them should there be a future Yes vote. Because it would be animosity towards a majority of Scots voters, which of course Westminster is free to display as it wishes.

Shakethedisease

Rinoa wrote: »

Hmmm. Looks like we hit a raw nerve with this one.

Only if you count severe boredom with the same old same old responses to the link you posted as a raw nerve.