The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Thrugelmir

Shakethedisease wrote: »

The facts are at the moment Scotland is part of the UK and not independent. I think we can both agree on that ? However there is a weird persistence on this board and elsewhere to refer to Scotland's economy and Govt as if both are independent already when it comes to 'fixing' Scotland's economic performances.

Nothing weird. The Scottish Parliment has devolved powers over

tourism and economic development
education and training
agriculture, forestry and fishing

Actions today will influence the future.

Shaka_Zulu

sss555s wrote: »

Do you drive a DeLorean? That article was from 27 Jul 2014 :rotfl:

Oops egg on face moment............:beer:

TrickyTree83

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Newsflash :- Sturgeon rules out something she never ruled in.

No, you ruled this in and were told it wouldn't happen. Those trying to help you were correct.

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

No, you ruled this in and were told it wouldn't happen. Those trying to help you were correct.

We're speculating on the ways Sturgeon could possibly bypass May refusing a section 30 order.

I wonder if the EU are going to start applying some pressure on May. Perhaps for 'clarity'.

IN a dramatic boost to Nicola Sturgeon and the independence movement, 50 senior politicians from around Europe have said an independent Scotland would be “most welcome” to join the European Union.

In a letter to Holyrood's Presiding Officer Ken Macintosh, the MEPs and parliamentarians also say that the holding of a second referendum should be one for Scotland alone and tell Westminster not to stand in the way.
Parliamentarians from Germany, France, Italy, Spain, Belgium, Sweden, Greece and Malta, pledged their “full support” for Scotland’s membership of the EU after a vote for independence in a second referendum.

"The question of Scotland’s constitutional future, and your relationships with the UK and the EU are for the people of Scotland to decide", the cross-party appeal states.
In their letter to Macintosh they accuse the Prime Minister of failing to "properly take into account the preferences of Scottish citizens in the withdrawal process".
They say: “We regret that the UK's government has chosen to follow the path of a 'hard Brexit' and has so far refused to properly take into account the preferences of Scottish citizens in the withdrawal process.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15213118.Fifty_European_politicians_would_welcome_an_independent_Scotland_to_EU/

Full article at link. Salmond also seemed very confident on Marr this morning that May's current stance will 'crumble'.

cogito

Shakethedisease wrote: »

We're speculating on the ways Sturgeon could possibly bypass May refusing a section 30 order.

I wonder if the EU are going to start applying some pressure on May. Perhaps for 'clarity'.
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15213118.Fifty_European_politicians_would_welcome_an_independent_Scotland_to_EU/

Full article at link. Salmond also seemed very confident on Marr this morning that May's current stance will 'crumble'.

Wow. Fewer than 10% of members of a talking shop think that Scotland should be able to decide to have a referendum. In a dramatic boost.

Whew. I'm convinced. You're still clutching at every straw that wafts past you in the wind.

kabayiri

cogito wrote: »

Wow. Fewer than 10% of members of a talking shop think that Scotland should be able to decide to have a referendum. In a dramatic boost.

Whew. I'm convinced. You're still clutching at every straw that wafts past you in the wind.

I'm sure that many EU politicians have views on all sorts of things outside their domain. I always thought the Catalans made a good case for independence personally.

It doesn't really matter. The decision for another referendum lies with the UK government, and they can argue with good cause that right now there are more pressing issues facing the whole of the UK. The views of the EU politicians will matter even less after Brexit.

Thrugelmir

cogito wrote: »

Wow. Fewer than 10% of members of a talking shop think that Scotland should be able to decide to have a referendum. In a dramatic boost.

Whew. I'm convinced. You're still clutching at every straw that wafts past you in the wind.

Seems as if someone isn't very good at Maths. As potentially there's 90% that think otherwise. There again with the SNP there's only one view that matters. Their own.

Shakethedisease

cogito wrote: »

Wow. Fewer than 10% of members of a talking shop think that Scotland should be able to decide to have a referendum. In a dramatic boost.

Whew. I'm convinced. You're still clutching at every straw that wafts past you in the wind.

It's that they said it openly at all which matters. Changed days eh.

Shakethedisease

kabayiri wrote: »

I'm sure that many EU politicians have views on all sorts of things outside their domain. I always thought the Catalans made a good case for independence personally.

It doesn't really matter. The decision for another referendum lies with the UK government, and they can argue with good cause that right now there are more pressing issues facing the whole of the UK. The views of the EU politicians will matter even less after Brexit.

May can't keep up with that line for much longer. She either has to rule a section 30 in or out altogether and soon too. It's only when she rules it out 100% as an option ( now or later ) the wheels will be set in motion for Holyrood to bypass her. She's only stalling for time just now.

And there's always the chance the EU will start suggesting that she just gets on with allowing a ref to happen.. since they cannot really negotiate with full clarity when it looks like the UK might possibly break up within a few years. Nullifying any transitional/long term deal anyway. They're not likely to be exactly thrilled at the prospect of negotiating a full on UK deal, only to have to reverse and do the whole thing again with both an iScotland and rUK a few years later.

Tromking

Shakethedisease wrote: »

May can't keep up with that line for much longer. She either has to rule a section 30 in or out altogether and soon too. It's only when she rules it out 100% as an option ( now or later ) the wheels will be set in motion for Holyrood to bypass her. She's only stalling for time just now.

And there's always the chance the EU will start suggesting that she just gets on with allowing a ref to happen.. since they cannot really negotiate with full clarity when it looks like the UK might possibly break up within a few years. Nullifying any transitional/long term deal anyway. They're not likely to be exactly thrilled at the prospect of negotiating a full on UK deal, only to have to reverse and do the whole thing again with both an iScotland and rUK a few years later.

Wow, that's a couple of highly unlikely scenarios you've dreamt up there.
There are as many Scots (maybe significantly more) who'll be just as angry with Sturgeon for pressing ahead with another indyref as will be aggrieved at the PM's perceived slight against Holyrood's authority by not granting one. In you quest for independence, do you or the SNP ever give those who don't share you views a thought?
The EU maybe a lot of things but the idea that it might directly start suggesting that a sovereign nation has a referendum that might end with that nation splitting is complete nonsense.
Think again Shakey, the situations where Scottish independence might happen are fast disappearing.