The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

kabayiri

Shakethedisease wrote: »

You think May stating over and over again like a robot that 'Now is not the time'... isn't going to mean that Scotland and the EU are going to be asking 'well when is then ?'
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A Scottish referendum wasn't in the current Tory manifesto, but an EU referendum definitely was.

Maybe another UK party will support your desires in the next election?

Until then, nobody really cares down here.

Enterprise_1701C

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Wasn't the EU. It was a sovereign state. Ultimately they still have the final say into the final outcome.

Actually, it was the eu - the draft guidelines drawn up by eu leaders state that the Brexit deal will not apply to Gibrabraltar without an agreement between the Kingdom of Spain and the UK.

But then I don't know why we did not expect this, Spain have been trying to claim the rock for a long time, and the eu have never done anything to discourage them whilst we were members, they certainly wont do so when we leave.

Of course they omit to say they hold a few territories themselves that are disputed by others.

There is Ceuta, claimed by Morocco as well as Melilla and several islands.

mrginge

Shakethedisease wrote: »

You think May stating over and over again like a robot that 'Now is not the time'... isn't going to mean that Scotland and the EU are going to be asking 'well when is then ?'

No need to fret shakey. I'm sure that it won't be long before mrs may gives in to the tactical masterminds in the snp and gives you your Scottish redependence referendum.

Then ms sturgeon's new bosses can get on with running Scotland.

A great day for the proud Scottish people.

Rinoa

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Yes but you did try to make it up. Welfare is reserved, the SNP have nothing to do with it as yet.

Council taxes devolved. All parties agree there does need to be serious reform but alas, the last time the SNP tried it as a minority govt, all of the other parties blocked it. The same is likely to occur now with the SNP once again a minority govt. The other parties will just vote anything down the SNP suggest as a replacement in case it looks like they agree with them. Pointless exercise. A tricky area, needs sorted with no party in Scotland quite sure where to go with it so the status quo prevails for now.

Well, you're obviously not in agreement with SNP MSP Maree Todd who claimed on council tax:

“Scottish taxpayers continue to get the best deal out of anyone in the UK, thanks to the SNP.”

Shakethedisease

kabayiri wrote: »

A Scottish referendum wasn't in the current Tory manifesto, but an EU referendum definitely was.

Maybe another UK party will support your desires in the next election?

Until then, nobody really cares down here.

In terms of Scottish referendums, it's what's voted through in Holyrood which counts. No UK parties required.

There's no need to get sniffy about it. We are where we are because the voters in elections and referendums put us here. And while I can see where May is coming from on this and the reasoning behind it ( understandable ) there seems to be a steadfast refusal to see where Sturgeon and her position and reasoning is coming from, and where it leads to on boards this these and in media commentary.

At the end of the day May is going to have to completely rule one out if she doesn't want another referendum in the next two years. Sturgeon is going to have to bypass her legally if she does. The EU while negotiations loom large are going to want it resolved one way or the other before committing to wide ranging trade and transactional deals which are UK wide and include large Scottish areas of interest ( fishing etc ).

Shakethedisease

Rinoa wrote: »

Well, you're obviously not in agreement with SNP MSP Maree Todd who claimed on council tax:

It is thanks to the SNP that council taxes were frozen.

Davidson's popularity starting to crash into negative territory. A real shame.. :cool:

Conrad

From John Redwood yesterday;


The curious case of the Scottish economy

By johnredwood | Published: April 9, 2017


Before the EU referendum the Scottish economy was growing far more slowly than the UK as a whole. From the 2008 crash to 2015 the Scottish economy only advanced by 4% in cash terms, compared to 23% for the UK. Since the referendum the Scottish economy has continued to underperform. On the latest figures the UK is growing around 1.2% real more per annum than Scotland, with the Scottish economy in danger of stalling.


It clearly isn’t the EU referendum doing that as a few would suggest. It is a longer term Scottish trend. Part of the reason is the decline in oil output. The North Sea fields are in decline. As oil volumes and revenues tail off, so that has knock on effects to the supply industries and the service sector that has lived off the oil industry where it is strong.


Recent figures show disappointing results for manufacturing as a whole, and a weak balance of payments. Scotland spends more per head in the public sector than England. Scotland borrows more as a percentage of GDP to support public spending than the UK as a whole. If larger deficits and higher public spending made for more growth , Scotland would have a more successful economy than England. It does not seem to.

TrickyTree83

Conrad wrote: »

From John Redwood yesterday;


The curious case of the Scottish economy

By johnredwood | Published: April 9, 2017


Before the EU referendum the Scottish economy was growing far more slowly than the UK as a whole. From the 2008 crash to 2015 the Scottish economy only advanced by 4% in cash terms, compared to 23% for the UK. Since the referendum the Scottish economy has continued to underperform. On the latest figures the UK is growing around 1.2% real more per annum than Scotland, with the Scottish economy in danger of stalling.


It clearly isn’t the EU referendum doing that as a few would suggest. It is a longer term Scottish trend. Part of the reason is the decline in oil output. The North Sea fields are in decline. As oil volumes and revenues tail off, so that has knock on effects to the supply industries and the service sector that has lived off the oil industry where it is strong.


Recent figures show disappointing results for manufacturing as a whole, and a weak balance of payments. Scotland spends more per head in the public sector than England. Scotland borrows more as a percentage of GDP to support public spending than the UK as a whole. If larger deficits and higher public spending made for more growth , Scotland would have a more successful economy than England. It does not seem to.

You know reality isn't allowed on here.

Have a word with yourself.

Don't you know that all the SNP need to make Scotland's economy a roaring success are these:

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

You know reality isn't allowed on here.

Have a word with yourself.

Don't you know that all the SNP need to make Scotland's economy a roaring success are these:

You're quite correct.

antrobus

Conrad wrote: »

..Scotland spends more per head in the public sector than England. Scotland borrows more as a percentage of GDP to support public spending than the UK as a whole...

And has done fairly consistently since 1998, even including the 'geographic share' of North Sea oil. In fact, over the 18 fiscal years from 1998/99 to 2015/16, Scotland's accumulated fiscal deficits amounted to £130 bn.

Over the same period the UK's accumulated fiscal deficits amounted to £1,091 bn. Scotland has 8.3% of the UK population. 8.3% of £1,091 bn is £91 bn. So Scotland's fiscal deficit is on average 43% greater than the UK. (Plus £39 bn is pretty much 'real money'.)

And it means that there is a good argument that Scotland should really take on the repayment of a much greater proportion of the national debt than would be the case on a per capita basis.

And the UK had to bail out Scotland's failed banks as well.:)

Conrad wrote: »

... If larger deficits and higher public spending made for more growth , Scotland would have a more successful economy than England. It does not seem to.

Certainly running a larger fiscal deficit does not appear to have done Scotland much good. Their economy flatlined in 2016, and is now one quarter away from recession.