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The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.
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mayonnaise wrote: »Do you not think it curious they didn't bother to ask Brits whether they actually wanted a (EU) referendum?
What’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.
Isn't the usual method to stick it in the party manifesto?
That's what Cameron did after all.0 -
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I quite like the idea of getting one referendum done with at a time. It's not like an iScotland can go directly back into the EU anyway.
The Scottish electorate should vote once the outcome of the negotiations is clear. Too much has been read into agreement being reached after 18 months. As this is the EU we are talking about. Nothing happens quickly. Matters evolve and constantly get refined.0 -
Theresa May seems to spend all her time worrying about Poles.
When she should be worrying about Polls.....
From Survation:
Who do you think should have the right to decide if there should be a referendum in Scotland that would allow the people of Scotland to choose between Brexit and independence? Should it be...
The Scottish Parliament : 61%
The Westminster Parliament : 39%
Do you think the Westminster Parliament should have the right to block a plan for a referendum in Scotland, even if it is agreed on and voted for by the Scottish Parliament?
Yes 42%
No 58%
Who do you think should have the right to decide the timing of a referendum in Scotland that would allow the people of Scotland to choose between Brexit and Independence, if it were to happen? Should it be….
The Scottish Parliament : 56%
The Westminster Parliament : 44%
And from the National Centre for Social Research:
Scotland is a nation and should not be forced out of the European Union as a result of a UK-wide referendum.
Agree 51%
Disagree 47%
That last one will have Mayhem choking on her Lapsang Souchon ....
“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »Theresa May seems to spend all her time worrying about Poles.
When she should be worrying about Polls.....
From Survation:
Who do you think should have the right to decide if there should be a referendum in Scotland that would allow the people of Scotland to choose between Brexit and independence? Should it be...
The Scottish Parliament : 61%
The Westminster Parliament : 39%
Do you think the Westminster Parliament should have the right to block a plan for a referendum in Scotland, even if it is agreed on and voted for by the Scottish Parliament?
Yes 42%
No 58%
Who do you think should have the right to decide the timing of a referendum in Scotland that would allow the people of Scotland to choose between Brexit and Independence, if it were to happen? Should it be….
The Scottish Parliament : 56%
The Westminster Parliament : 44%
And from the National Centre for Social Research:
Scotland is a nation and should not be forced out of the European Union as a result of a UK-wide referendum.
Agree 51%
Disagree 47%
That last one will have Mayhem choking on her Lapsang Souchon ....
You voted to stay in the United Kingdom
Scotland voted to stay in the United Kingdom
Did you all misunderstand the question on the ballot slip?If I don't reply to your post,
you're probably on my ignore list.0 -
You voted to stay in the United Kingdom
And in the EU.Scotland voted to stay in the United Kingdom
As a part of the EU.Did you all misunderstand the question on the ballot slip?
When the facts change we change our minds.
What do you do?“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »And in the EU.
As a part of the EU.
When the facts change we change our minds.
What do you do?
Do we really need to go through how shallow that argument is again?
Perhaps some key words will jog the memory...
conservative
manifesto
2015
general
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The polls all got it wrong the last time the scottish referendum was held and i am sure they will continue to get it wrong.
I do not wish to vote again and I will not be voting SNP as long as I live.
The are a bunch of liars and not interested in the scottish people. They only like to blow their own trumpet.
I give more credit to the scottish people now as they are beginning to see through what SNP really stand for and that is not for the scottish people0 -
TrickyTree83 wrote: »
Perhaps some key words will jog the memory...
conservative
manifesto
2015
general
election
Here's some more....
SNP
manifesto
2016
election
indyref2
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change
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Brexit“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
Just saw the National's front page for tomorrow. Usually a kite flyer for future SNP policies and direction. There's a story in there from John Curtice predicting the same as I thought. They Scottish Govt are either going to go to court, or pressing ahead fully anticipating being taken to court.
However they've got the front page wording wrong. Sturgeon isn't looking for a legally binding referendum, she looking for a legally valid referendum in Scotland. Remember this (pro indy people here) if this story does turn out to be true. Because there's going to be a lot of talk about legally binding.. when in fact legally valid is all Sturgeon needs to go ahead.
Legally valid = no boycotts = valid result.Referendum question not requiring s30 Order
Edit :- Yes it's the same thing Curtice is talking about.
Should the Scottish Government enter into negotiations with the Government of the United Kingdom with a view to Scotland becoming an independent country?
Yes No
http://www.thenational.scot/news/15196794.Top_pollster_John_Curtice_predicts_attempt_to_hold_legal_referendum_without_Westminster_s_permission/John Curtice, professor of politics at Strathclyde University, said it is likely Nicola Sturgeon will return to a path pursued by Alex Salmond a decade ago when it was unclear whether the UK Government would consent to a vote on self-determination.
The strategy pursued at that time involved coming up with a form of words which would allow Holyrood to hold a vote under devolved powers and would not have to rely on getting consent from the UK Government.
So the question put in September 2014: “Should Scotland become an independent country?” would not be permissible as it focused directly on the constitutional issue.
But an alternative approach such as should “The Scottish Government be allowed to negotiate a settlement with the Government of the United Kingdom so that Scotland becomes an independent state?” may hold.It all seems so stupid it makes me want to give up.
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid ?0
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