The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

TrickyTree83

Rinoa wrote: »

Just try that calculation again.

It's genius isn't it, I guess that's how John Swinney does mathematics too.

"Just add zeros, it'll be fine, I promise."

(Rough and ready fag packet calculations...

Even using the ridiculous figure of £330bn in tax revenue, it works out at £63,461.54 per head (pop 5.2m) over the lifetime of North Sea Oil & Gas, given that the lifetime is from 1969 - 2015/16 give or take a year it works out at ~£1,379.60 per person per year on current approx population. Yet it's been proven that the £330bn figure is wrong, so lets take the actual figure of £190bn. That comes out at £36,538.46 per head over the lifetime and ~£794.31 per head per year. Less than Barnett by quite some distance.

https://fullfact.org/economy/how-barnett-formula-flawed-favour-scotland-and-northern-ireland/

That's why Scotland, which started with higher spending, still spends around 20% more per person than England, at £10,152 per person last year compared to £8,529 for England.

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Just for you sss555s

Shakethedisease

Rinoa wrote: »

Of course, they knew what the answer would be if they asked "Should Scotland have yet another referendum on Scottish independence".

So they appealed to national pride by asking whether Scotland should be allowed to make the decision.

It's all manipulation, day after day, month after month.

You think it's manipulation to ask Scottish people if they should be 'allowed' to make the decision about a Scottish referendum about Scotlands future in which only Scottish residents may vote in ?

You should listen to yourselves sometimes instead of treating Scots voters like children.

Rinoa

Shakethedisease wrote: »

You think it's manipulation to ask Scottish people if they should be 'allowed' to make the decision about a Scottish referendum about Scotlands future in which only Scottish residents may vote in ?

You should listen to yourselves sometimes instead of treating Scots voters like children.

Of course it's manipulation, you just don't want to see it.

Do you not think it curious they didn't bother to ask Scots whether they actually wanted a referendum?

TrickyTree83

The silence on trade, Goschen, Oil & Gas and Barnett is deafening.

Edit:

Just wanted to preserve for posterity who wrote it and who thanked it blindly without thinking. Goes to show if you have the 'correct' opinion they'll blindly hit that thank button in agreement with whatever crap you spout that supports their argument.

kabayiri

sss555s wrote: »

Yep all gone in the Westminster coffers.
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Much of the early revenue got spent in supporting us through the demise of traditional industries, and reorienting the economy towards services and finance-based.

This was an expensive transition in many parts of the UK. You only have to look at the ship building decline up there in Scotland.

Scotland also benefitted from the rise in Scottish banks prior to the GFC. At one point RBS was the biggest bank around. Amongst other things that meant jobs in Edinburgh and Glasgow.

You write as though nothing ever came back.

kabayiri

Rinoa wrote: »

Of course it's manipulation, you just don't want to see it.

Do you not think it curious they didn't bother to ask Scots whether they actually wanted a referendum?

Sturgeon knows that the media focus has already shifted towards the EU and Brexit. She has to cook up something I suppose.

For most of us down here, what Tusk and Juncker and Davis and May discuss, that stuff is of more importance.

It's the success of the Brexit negotiations which will impact our economic future.

Scotland is a sideshow in comparison.

Shakethedisease

Rinoa wrote: »

Of course it's manipulation, you just don't want to see it.

Do you not think it curious they didn't bother to ask Scots whether they actually wanted a referendum?

There's been plenty of polling asking that. Just a shame the headlines have taken over from the real story. The last sentence here is the most telling don't you think ?

New polling by Survation of residents in Scotland show that a majority (53%) think that the Scottish Parliament should have the right to decide if there should be another Scottish Independence Referendum, rather than the UK Parliament in Westminster (34%). This includes almost a third (31%) who did not vote for independence in 2014.

http://survation.com/holyrood-decide-new-independence-referendum-majority-scots/

Even loads of previous No voters don't want May deciding on their behalf.

Yesterday we learned that a NatCen poll in February and March found a narrow but clear majority of Scots believe that Scotland shouldn’t have to leave the EU just because the UK does. And we already knew that in March, a Panelbase poll for the Sunday Times showed a 50/50 split on whether a referendum should be held before the UK left the EU.That poll backed up the findings of one in January:

<---- Check the polling yourself. The Tories and the headlines have only been trumpeting the figures for 'right now' and pretending it means Scots don't want another referendum at all. It's 50/50. With half of Scots wanting one when Brexit terms in the next year/two years are clear.

http://www.panelbase.com/media/polls/W7181w10tablesforpublication170317.pdf

http://www.panelbase.com/media/polls/W7181w9tablesforpublication300117.pdf

It's you and other readers of these kinds of headlines that are being manipulated I'm afraid.

Rinoa

Shakethedisease wrote: »

http://www.panelbase.com/media/polls/W7181w10tablesforpublication170317.pdf

http://www.panelbase.com/media/polls/W7181w9tablesforpublication300117.pdf

Well there you go. Plenty of polls this last month with a majority saying Scots DON'T want a referendum.

NOT ONE single poll saying a majority want one.

mayonnaise

Rinoa wrote: »

Of course it's manipulation, you just don't want to see it.

Do you not think it curious they didn't bother to ask Scots whether they actually wanted a referendum?

Do you not think it curious they didn't bother to ask Brits whether they actually wanted a (EU) referendum?
What’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

sss555s

:rotfl:Ok, ok I will admit when I mucked up the figures (unlike Tricky never does admit his wrongs) and I will thank you for correcting my mistake :money:

The £330b figure is quoted in a lot of publications like the FT and I would trust that over some .gov document that doesn't give the full figure.

So £66k per man woman and child per year from our cherry on top seems to be more than any per head figure for England.

So my figures were wrong but my point remains which is why my posts were liked.

Well done for scoring a point by default but the game has a long way to go.