The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

sss555s

kabayiri wrote: »

Much of the early revenue got spent in supporting us through the demise of traditional industries, and reorienting the economy towards services and finance-based.

This was an expensive transition in many parts of the UK. You only have to look at the ship building decline up there in Scotland.

Scotland also benefitted from the rise in Scottish banks prior to the GFC. At one point RBS was the biggest bank around. Amongst other things that meant jobs in Edinburgh and Glasgow.

You write as though nothing ever came back.

Scottish banks gave more jobs to London than anywhere else.

I'm not demanding anything back in the name of Scotland but just correcting the dim insults towards Scots when a lot of the time we've more than paid our way without complaining.

Scotland has everything to succeed and is Europe's 12 biggest economy even under dodgy Westminster accountancy.

If Westminster had kept its word and kept us all in the UK then there wouldn't have been a call for another referendum. You just need to look on this thread that some have went from no to yes to see that and there has been a big enough change in the political landscape to trigger another vote.

May seems to think she knows Scots better than Scots know themselves but she is doing the wrong thing and we all know it if we are being honest. The hypocrisy from the Brexiteers is mind blowing.

Shakethedisease

Rinoa wrote: »

Well there you go. Plenty of polls this last month with a majority saying Scots DON'T want a referendum.

NOT ONE single poll saying a majority want one.

But that's fluid and nothing to base not having one at all on.

Jan -> March

The only movement between the two polls was a significant 5% swing towards people wanting the second indyref to be held sooner rather than later.

Is 50/50 now. Over 60% want Holyrood to decide and don't want Westminster to block one. And 51% think that Scotland is a nation and shouldn't have to leave the EU since a majority of people voted to stay. Sturgeon/SNP/Yes haven't even begun campaigning yet either.

Davidson, the Express and the Telegraph are taking folks who don't read past headlines for total suckers. Repeat the line 'but Scots don't want a referendum' often enough so people think it's accepted fact. It's not.

Shakethedisease

sss555s wrote: »

Scottish banks gave more jobs to London than anywhere else.

I'm not demanding anything back in the name of Scotland but just correcting the dim insults towards Scots when a lot of the time we've more than paid our way without complaining.

Scotland has everything to succeed and is Europe's 12 biggest economy even under dodgy Westminster accountancy.

If Westminster had kept its word and kept us all in the UK then there wouldn't have been a call for another referendum. You just need to look on this thread that some have went from no to yes to see that and there has been a big enough change in the political landscape to trigger another vote.

May seems to think she knows Scots better than Scots know themselves but she is doing the wrong thing and we all know it if we are being honest. The hypocrisy from the Brexiteers is mind blowing.

Yes, I think the same ( not that that's a surprise ). But would it really have killed May to say to Sturgeon, 'ok I'll take your proposals to the EU, they'll probably refuse but we'll see' or to give some detail on Westminster plans, or to just even look vaguely like she might be taking some Scottish and other devolved nations concerns on board ?

TrickyTree83

sss555s wrote: »

:rotfl:Ok, ok I will admit when I mucked up the figures (unlike Tricky never does admit his wrongs) and I will thank you for correcting my mistake :money:

The £330b figure is quoted in a lot of publications like the FT and I would trust that over some .gov document that doesn't give the full figure.

So £66k per man woman and child per year from our cherry on top seems to be more than any per head figure for England.

So my figures were wrong but my point remains which is why my posts were liked.

Well done for scoring a point by default but the game has a long way to go.

You've mis-read it again (it's not £66k pa pp) and you've been thanked... randomly... again, for quoting the wrong figures.

I do admit when I'm wrong, I just tend to read things before I comment on them.

Edit: Frankly I'd prefer it if there wasn't a clique who just band together and give the nod to any old rubbish rather than actually looking at the details and the facts and coming to a reasoned consensus.

i.e. there may well be political issues that can only be addressed by independence for some of you, happy to debate that since the facts there are thin on the ground and it's very much up to opinion, but lets not pretend that independence will result in anything other than Scotland being poorer than remaining part of the UK outside the EU. Economically the choice is as clear as black and white.

Thrugelmir

sss555s wrote: »

May seems to think she knows Scots better than Scots know themselves but she is doing the wrong thing and we all know it if we are being honest. The hypocrisy from the Brexiteers is mind blowing.

May is simply representing everyone. Irrespective of their view. After all she was herself personally a remainer. However manages to put personal views aside. May is right to cause a period of reflection. As there's much to debate and for people to comprehend. No one knows what the future will hold. Take one day at a time.

mollycat

mayonnaise wrote: »

Do you not think it curious they didn't bother to ask Brits whether they actually wanted a (EU) referendum?
What’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

But there was an EU referendum.

And there was a Scottish Independence referendum.

It's the drive for a 2nd referendum and the associated snubbing of democracy that most Scots don't want, (IMHO).

sss555s

Thrugelmir wrote: »

May is simply representing everyone. Irrespective of their view. After all she was herself personally a remainer. However manages to put personal views aside. May is right to cause a period of reflection. As there's much to debate and for people to comprehend. No one knows what the future will hold. Take one day at a time.

But May did say that the Scots didn't want another vote when clearly around half of them do. She should have maintained that it was best for the UK to deal with Brexit first rather than trying to tell people what they want.

You're right that no one knows what the future will hold. We may have got the vote early and remained as things looked like they were going well or we may get the vote late when things have went TU and more voters may want a split. who knows!

LHW99

Westminster isn't the answer for Scotland and we need to manage our own affairs.

I can understand that, even if I'm not sure the SNP are capable of doing it looking at their record so far.

What I can't reconcile is

we need to manage our own affairs

with "but we want Brussels to make all the decisions for us"

Thrugelmir

mayonnaise wrote: »

Do you not think it curious they didn't bother to ask Brits whether they actually wanted a (EU) referendum?
What’s sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.

Cameron had a mandate to renegotiate terms. He tried and came back and presented this to the electorate of the UK. Unfortunately he misjudged what really mattered to the vast majority of people that live in this country (as opposed to anywhere).

kabayiri

sss555s wrote: »

But May did say that the Scots didn't want another vote when clearly around half of them do. She should have maintained that it was best for the UK to deal with Brexit first rather than trying to tell people what they want.
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Turn it around.

Suppose the Scots had voted for the first indy referendum by choosing Leave, and early into the preparation for this leaving process Westminster decides to hold the EU referendum.

You'd be a bit miffed eh? It certainly wouldn't have simplified matters.

I quite like the idea of getting one referendum done with at a time. It's not like an iScotland can go directly back into the EU anyway.