The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

.string.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

As the entire point of and reason for calling a second referendum is for an iScotland to end up back inside the EU or EEA in the shortest time possible now is precisely the time.

One of the problems is that the result of the Referendum could well be that the Scottish people decide to stay in the UK in which case the narrow vision you explain above will have damaged the future of not only the UK as a whole but specifically the Scots.

Rinoa

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

And in the EU.


As a part of the EU.


When the facts change we change our minds.

What do you do?

Only sovereign states have the authority to change their minds. If you wanted that power it was available at the time. You just place your X in the other box.

I'm surprised you didn't realise that.

Enterprise_1701C

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

As the entire point of and reason for calling a second referendum is for an iScotland to end up back inside the EU or EEA in the shortest time possible now is precisely the time.

At least now you admit you would have to rejoin.

I just cant work out why you want to be independent but then want to be swallowed whole by the eu.

You do know their eventual aim is for countries within the eu to stop being countries don't you? This was the aim from the outset, they just kept quiet about it. So what else are they keeping quiet about?

It is also obvious the euro is designed to bankrupt most people within it, instead of bringing economies together it is wrecking most of them outside Germany, even France is becoming unhappy with it. And you would have to join the euro.

And what happens to the euro when Greece defaults? It cannot afford the repayments to the IMF and merkel has already said they wont get another bailout.

Unless the eu changes the way they do things then they cannot survive, then what excuse would fishface find? Mind you, once we have a new general election we will find out if Scotland have finally woken up to the toddler that doesn't even bother running the country.

elantan

Thrugelmir wrote: »

If you are narrowed minded in your outlook then your view is fully understandable. Sounds if you'd prefer living in a one party state where you are simply told what to do. Without the necessity to consider other viewpoints. Love it or hate it, the UK operates as a democracy. Something many of us appreciate.

And it sounds like your talking mince you know and you know it but just can't help yourself

.string.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Sounds like the UK under the current Brextremist Tory govt.

The views of the 16m people who voted remain have been completely ignored - no attempt at compromise - no attempt at reasonable accommodation of the nations who voted remain.



A functioning democracy requires a functioning opposition to hold the party in power to account.

The UK does not have that with Labour in it's current condition.

"Brextremist " - what a silly thing to write. It's like calling a competitive tennis player who tries as hard as they can to win a "Tennextremist".


But I suppose you are still on about the UK being in the single market and the customs union.

If Scotland eventually did vote by 50% plus 1 person for independence and Scotland was trying to negotiate a trade deal with the rUK, would you expect the Scottish Government to be satisfied with a trade deal which was based on the condition that you could trade across the new border provided you accepted that you remained bound by the laws of the UK and were prevented from negotiating trade deals with other countries.

Somehow I don't think so.

The UK Government has set out its stall from which position they can reach a satisfactory conclusion through negotiation, inevitably a compromise in some areas. Calling things hard or soft Brexit or using words like extremist are just blather.

As far as opposition and scrutiny, I gives you no longer read papers other than the National now, but I can tell you there is a lot of scrutiny and not a little opposition not least amongst the ranks of the Conservative Party.

But the focus needs to be on getting "the best deal possible".

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

.string. wrote: »

the focus needs to be on getting "the best deal possible".

Mayhem has already ruled out getting the best deal possible - as that would be staying in the single market - but to satisfy the Brextremists in the Tory party who care more about immigration than the nation's prosperity she is aiming for a worse deal.

So for Scotland the focus now needs to be on getting out of the UK and back into the EEA or EU.

kabayiri

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

As the entire point of and reason for calling a second referendum is for an iScotland to end up back inside the EU or EEA in the shortest time possible now is precisely the time.

If that were the case Sturgeon would have requested a 2nd indy ref the day after the Brexit vote.

Clearly, it isn't the shortest time.

You're just winging it.

kabayiri

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

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The UK does not have that with Labour in it's current condition.

It is independence parties like UKIP and the SNP which undermine Labour.

So...I guess the solution is to scrap these and y'all pile into Labour?

Enterprise_1701C

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Mayhem has already ruled out getting the best deal possible - as that would be staying in the single market - but to satisfy the Brextremists in the Tory party who care more about immigration than the nation's prosperity she is aiming for a worse deal.

So for Scotland the focus now needs to be on getting out of the UK and back into the EEA or EU.

Because the eu wont let us do that without allowing freedom of movement, and we would still have to contribute annually to a failing institution with no say over what they do.

Negotiations haven't even started yet, no-one knows what deal we will end up with, all we do know is that we will not be forced down the pan with the rest of the eu.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

kabayiri wrote: »

If that were the case Sturgeon would have requested a 2nd indy ref the day after the Brexit vote.

Scotland tried to compromise first.

Indyref2 was only called after such attempts at compromise were completely rebuffed by the arrogant Theresa May.