The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

foxtrotoscar_2

Shakethedisease wrote: »

You are talking about politicians here aren't you ? They all lie. And I'm not even sure Salmond was given that everyone at the time thought it would be a once in a lifetime opportunity. I certainly did think it would be a one off. He was trying to get the vote out. And in those particular circumstances, he managed to do just that admirably.

Who could've known just 2 years later what would happen and everything was back on the table ?

The Growth Commission will report soon enough on currency and other matters relating to independence. But there's no point as yet until we know when the next referendum or vote will be held.

He lied when he denied what he said and stated 'on camera' it wasn't what he said saying it was a myth...he still is lying in 2017!

foxtrotoscar_2

I'm willing to state that the UK currency will be the GBP...five years down the line we are guessing re Scotland. WHY? The SNP have failed to answer five year old questions...why?

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

The points regarding trade reflect the current state of affairs, they will remain in this ball park for the next 2 years and may even increase further as trade with rUK has been increasing in Scotland at a much faster rate than with any other destination.

Trade for the entire UK may change dramatically, it also may not. I outlined the possibilities before, we do not know the nuances of a deal but we know what the two polar extremes of a deal are. Extrapolating from the two polar extremes we can find out which option and in which situation harms iScotland the most.

The way I've laid the argument out means that the point about "trade will not stop overnight" no longer works I'm afraid. There are the two polar options and everything between. Trade will be affected by varying degrees along that scale, at one end it makes sense for an independent Scotland but that outcome is not what the SNP are arguing about and if that outcome came to pass there's little point in independence anyway.

The alternative polar opposite is what the SNP are saying will happen, in which case iScotland will suffer the most under this outcome.

No one has said trade will stop over night, but in one of the polar extreme examples where WTO tariffs are in place, trade will suffer. Not overnight, but more like exsanguination over time, under a WTO tariff scenario either Brexit or iScotland will strike the wound, if a referendum occurs it will be up to you and your fellow Scottish citizens to decide how deep that wound goes and whether it's potentially fatal to your way of life or not.

English and Welsh citizen's have to weigh it up too. I wouldn't worry too much about Scotland though I know you're really concerned. But the fact of the matter is that years of Scots hearing themselves referred to as 'Jock Scroungers' and stories of 'English largesse' might just be about to come back and bite hard. According to this guy, England doesn't have much to sell to the world anymore and Sterling might hit 80c.

Rogers Trading, without Scottish Oil, England will not survive its debt obligations.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2017-03-28/jim-rogers-asks-if-scotland-pushes-pound-to-0-80-video

Now I don't wish this to be the case by any means. But it really is time that folks started looking into what happens economically to what's left of the UK if Scotland leaves at the same time as exiting the EU. May has made a bit of a mistake in treating Scotland's voters ( voters ! ) as a complete irrelevance. Not when 45% of them already wanted out even before Brexit happened. Like you May thinks of the SNP as some sort of entity which got where it has as if by magic or fluke rather than the representatives of real people with real and serious power at the ballot box in Scotland. It's time to adjust those views.

Even worse. After going on for years about how Scotland cannot walk away from UK debt and obligations because creditors won't like it etc. There seems to be a real school of thought out there which thinks that the UK can do just that while leaving the EU. Double standards much ?

Shakethedisease

foxtrotoscar wrote: »

I'm willing to state that the UK currency will be the GBP...five years down the line we are guessing re Scotland. WHY? The SNP have failed to answer five year old questions...why?

You'll have your answers soon enough. And what Salmond said a few years back is no longer relevant. He's no longer in charge of the SNP and it's what Sturgeon says that is important now. Time to move on. It's not like May is following everything Cameron said either ( Single Market membership ) now is it ?

antrobus

islandannie wrote: »

Well I`m still waiting for any SNP poster on this thread to tell us how powerfull and rich we were as a nation before the union with England.

You know what I think.They can`t because we weren`t.

It`s about time our schools taught history instead of wishtory,no wonder we are slipping so far behind English schools.

Time to concentrate on real history as opposed to SNP lies.

You would be right.

Together with the loss of the £500,000 investment the Scottish economy was almost bankrupted. It has been argued that the Darien Scheme crippled the country's economy to such an extent that it triggered the dissolution of the Scottish Parliament and led to the 1707 Act of Union with England.

http://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryUK/HistoryofScotland/The-Darien-Scheme/

That's the only problem I have with 'Scottish independence'. Most of the SNP zealots here on this thread are delusional fools, and I fear if they are representative of the kind of people of who would end if up in charge, then history would simply repeat itself.

Of course, since the English no longer care whether or not the Scots want to reinstall a Stuart on the throne, there would be no reason for them to bail Scotland out second time around.

kabayiri

Is that it then?

Sturgeon writes a letter and May says she has already answered.

She might as well stick it in a drawer.

Still, we have Brexit to focus on now.

kabayiri

Shakethedisease wrote: »

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Even worse. After going on for years about how Scotland cannot walk away from UK debt and obligations because creditors won't like it etc. There seems to be a real school of thought out there which thinks that the UK can do just that while leaving the EU. Double standards much ?

Of course you can walk away. That's true for any independent country.

The credit markets will just claw it back through much higher lending costs, as your new rating sits alongside other junk rated countries.

Popcorn sales down here would rocket as we all sit down and watch the events unfold. I'm bringing out a new flavour : buckfast and haggis.

Shaka_Zulu

Good article in the Scotsman today:-

Brian Wilson: Permanent cacophony of grievance from SNP



..........Between 2010 and the new financial year, the Holyrood budget increased by 0.4 per cent in real terms. In the same period, the Scottish Government has cut like-for-like, real terms funding to local councils by 19.4 per cent, as confirmed by their own figures. This is an astonishing state of affairs.

Some might even say it is a 'constitutional crisis' - what right does a devolved government have to treat local democracy with such contempt?

If the Tories cut council spending by a fifth, there would be demonstrations in the streets, trade unions up in arms and the Scottish media deploring the wickedness of it all. So why do we hear so little of it now? I suspect it is because the chatterati are not in the front line of the inevitable cuts - to home helps, community centres, failing schools, special needs, early intervention, street-cleaning and all the other services that less well-off people have disproportionate reliance on.

I have yet to hear any Scottish Government minister challenged on the very straightforward question - why have they cut council funding by a fifth during a period when their own extremely generous pot of money remained unchanged? Over the next few weeks, there should be relentless pursuit of that dichotomy.

Enterprise_1701C

foxtrotoscar wrote: »

I'm willing to state that the UK currency will be the GBP...five years down the line we are guessing re Scotland. WHY? The SNP have failed to answer five year old questions...why?

She wants to stay on the gravy train. She wants an independent Scotland fiscally dependent on the UK. She probably thinks if she stamps her feet enough and bursts into tears she can still get her pocket money.

What she doesn't realise is that the UK is a grown up country and knows how to deal with toddler tantrums.

She is only in such a rush because she wants to wreck the country before they throw her out of power.

I still think the only reason she wants to be in the eu is because she wants to be president.

sss555s

Shakethedisease wrote: »

English and Welsh citizen's have to weigh it up too. I wouldn't worry too much about Scotland though I know you're really concerned. But the fact of the matter is that years of Scots hearing themselves referred to as 'Jock Scroungers' and stories of 'English largesse' might just be about to come back and bite hard. According to this guy, England doesn't have much to sell to the world anymore and Sterling might hit 80c.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/videos/2017-03-28/jim-rogers-asks-if-scotland-pushes-pound-to-0-80-video

It's hilarious how Scots get called by some of the less bright from South of the border.

Just looking at the oil & gas industry which has contributed £330bn in tax for a population of 5m means that Scotland has contributed £660,000,000.00 per head from oil & gas alone.