The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

elantan wrote: »

And the challenge of BT is not to mess up like they did last time ... its gonna be a fun watch that's for sure

Indeed.

Already seems to be a fragmented and disjointed response - Mayhem was caught well and truly napping today - Cons & Lab refusing to campaign together - polls at a starting point of 50/50.

Popcorn time...;)

kabayiri

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Should be interesting. As the challenge for NS is not to repeat Salmonds own goals. This time around needs to answers not deflections.

Indeed. This indyref2 is in a special place in that it follows a previous one still fresh in people's memory.

Issues like the pound/central bank hurt the Independence campaign last time IMO.

The independence campaigners will have to clearly explain what happens re: Trident subs; pensions; shared services; any potential deficit; defence etc.

The EU position at the point of a Scottish independence is probably an easy one to explain in comparison.

elantan

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Indeed.

Already seems to be a fragmented and disjointed response - Mayhem was caught well and truly napping today - Cons & Lab refusing to campaign together - polls at a starting point of 50/50.

Popcorn time...;)

We will all have to go on diets and visit the dentist when it's over :rotfl:

Thrugelmir

elantan wrote: »

And the challenge of BT is not to mess up like they did last time ...

Perhaps people will simply vote with their feet. Rather than live under decades of uncertainty. Easy to play politics with words. Reactions are far more difficult to control.

Conrad

Turkey threatening to open the migration gates into Europe. Yet another sign of EU failing, FOM will soon be abandoned. I do not understand the obsession of wanting to belong to a failing club. Man up Scotland, just go independent.

kabayiri

elantan wrote: »

And the challenge of BT is not to mess up like they did last time ... its gonna be a fun watch that's for sure

Didn't BT win last time?

I'm not sure how that equates to messing up.

BT said what they needed to say to convince the voters. The independence team talked about a sovereign wealth fund derived from oil, which was equally nonsense.

It's what politicians of all colours do, hash it all up a bit.

BT might be able to make use of a spare bus next time. BoJo doesn't need it anymore :rotfl:

Shakethedisease

antrobus wrote: »

The Barosso Doctrine applies.

The EU has made it very clear that an independent Scotland would have to reapply for membership. A position that was confirmed today by Margaritis Schinas (Chief Spokesperson of the European Commission) who said, “The Barroso doctrine, would that apply? Yes that would apply, obviously”.

I don't see any hypothetical independent Scotland having a major problem in rejoining the EU, at least once they have their deficit sorted out. But rejoin they will have to. Only nation states can sign up to the EU, EFTA, EEA whatever, independence is a precondition.

Scotland might need to reapply. But it will be a quick process once Scotland does. A 'slam dunk' as one MEP said the other day but the independence debate has now moved well past just EU memebership.

kabayiri

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Scotland might need to reapply. But it will be a quick process once Scotland does. A 'slam dunk' as one MEP said the other day but the independence debate has now moved well past just EU memebership.

How do you think the other countries in the queue will react to an iScotland jumping the queue?

Shouldn't the EU be even handed in it's treatment of new membership requests?

Put it this way. If Le Penn won and decided to take France out of the EU, do you think they should have priority in negotiations over UK?

Shakethedisease

kabayiri wrote: »

Didn't BT win last time?

I'm not sure how that equates to messing up.

BT said what they needed to say to convince the voters. The independence team talked about a sovereign wealth fund derived from oil, which was equally nonsense.

It's what politicians of all colours do, hash it all up a bit.

BT might be able to make use of a spare bus next time. BoJo doesn't need it anymore :rotfl:

You're joking aren't you ? BetterTogether LOST and shed votes all the way through the campaign. They started out with Scotland polling in the high 60 %'s for the union. And were down to 55% by the time the vote happened. Run another BetterTogether campaign like that this time round and it's all over.

What's really going to be interesting is that Scottish Labour/Lib Dems and the Conservatives have spent the last 9 months running on nothing but 'stop the referendum happening' soundbites and headlines. Especially Ruth Davidson. They're going to have to move beyond that now that it IS happening and actually justify a Hard Brexit Union under the Tories. Labour and the Lib Dems are going to be in very serious trouble there. While Ruth Davidson is going to have every single thing she said about remaining in the EU/Single Market, including at Wembley against BoJo thrown back at her 24/7.

kabayiri

Shakethedisease wrote: »

You're joking aren't you ? BetterTogether LOST and shed votes all the way through the campaign. They started out with Scotland polling in the high 60 %'s for the union. And were down to 55% by the time the vote happened. Run another BetterTogether campaign like that this time round and it's all over.
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Nope.

It's about crossing the finishing line first. It doesn't matter how much of a head start you have.

Better Together WON because we are still together! It isn't hard to work out.