The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Shakethedisease

kabayiri wrote: »

How do you think the other countries in the queue will react to an iScotland jumping the queue?

Shouldn't the EU be even handed in it's treatment of new membership requests?

Put it this way. If Le Penn won and decided to take France out of the EU, do you think they should have priority in negotiations over UK?

There's no queue. You meet the criteria in you go which is why several Eastern European countries are in even though they weren't even independent when Turkey applied.

If Scotland meets the criteria, slam dunk. But again I think there's going to be transitional requests made until Brexit and if Scotland does vote Yes details are sorted out. If I were Sturgeon, I'd let you all go mad arguing and raging about the EU, hard borders, trade between UK/EU and Spanish vetos for several months. Then announce they wish to apply to EFTA/EEA as a transitional measure until things settle down. As we say in Scotland.. clamped.

Shakethedisease

kabayiri wrote: »

Nope.

It's about crossing the finishing line first. It doesn't matter how much of a head start you have.

Better Together WON because we are still together! It isn't hard to work out.

They can't afford to lose votes like that this time round. There's no 20 to 25% lead to play about with at the start. Feel free to ignore this, but BetterTogether lost a LOT of votes in 2014. Something with the trend in the polls as they are.. they can't afford to do again.

TrickyTree83

Shakethedisease wrote: »

You're joking aren't you ? BetterTogether LOST and shed votes all the way through the campaign. They started out with Scotland polling in the high 60 %'s for the union. And were down to 55% by the time the vote happened. Run another BetterTogether campaign like that this time round and it's all over.

What's really going to be interesting is that Scottish Labour/Lib Dems and the Conservatives have spent the last 9 months running on nothing but 'stop the referendum happening' soundbites and headlines. Especially Ruth Davidson. They're going to have to move beyond that now that it IS happening and actually justify a Hard Brexit Union under the Tories. Labour and the Lib Dems are going to be in very serious trouble there. While Ruth Davidson is going to have every single thing she said about remaining in the EU/Single Market, including at Wembley against BoJo thrown back at her 24/7.

Is it?

She's going to ask Holyrood to let her ask Westminster if it's OK to have another referendum.

You're getting ahead of yourself, as is Nicola in my opinion.

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Is it?

She's going to ask Holyrood to let her ask Westminster if it's OK to have another referendum.

You're getting ahead of yourself, as is Nicola in my opinion.

No I tried to explain this to you earlier. It's never been tested in court however..

[FONT=&quot]Before we get there, though, there's a crucial preliminary. We have to remember what we're dealing with. As a matter of Scottish (and English and Welsh, for that matter) law, holding a referendum is simply an exercise in testing public opinion. Referenda are consultative, not binding[/FONT]

We saw this with the Brexit vote.

[FONT=&quot]The Scottish Government proposes to pass an Act to allow it to honour the manifesto promise to hold a referendum on independence. Such an Act would be lawful unless prohibited by the terms of the 1998 Act. The holding of referenda is not prohibited and so is permitted.[/FONT]

[FONT=&quot]The argument is that an Act to hold a referendum would, in itself, have an effect on the Union. That just can't be right. Faced with the argument you are forced almost to tautology but the purpose and, beyond anything other than specious argument, solitary effect of an Act to provide for the holding of a referendum is the holding of a referendum. The Act would have no other effect, at all. Even the result of the subsequent, supervening referendum would not have an effect[/FONT]

http://www.hallidaycampbell.com/2012/02/law-and-independence-referendum-is.html

Holding a referendum isn't prohibited by the Scotland Act. Is the result you need to worry about. May probably knows this by now and is the hype merchants and journo's that don't. A section 30 makes the result binding on Westminster and Holyrood. Not the act itself of calling a referendum in the first place which the Scotland Act doesn't prohibit at all. Enjoy the read.

elantan

kabayiri wrote: »

Didn't BT win last time?

I'm not sure how that equates to messing up.

BT said what they needed to say to convince the voters. The independence team talked about a sovereign wealth fund derived from oil, which was equally nonsense.

It's what politicians of all colours do, hash it all up a bit.

BT might be able to make use of a spare bus next time. BoJo doesn't need it anymore :rotfl:

Going from a certain win with only 28% wanting indy to panicked vow and 45% wanting indy would indicate maybe they messed up a bit

bugslet

In bugslet fantasy land, what I'd like to happen is for there to be no BT campaign, it was said before, at the most a flyer outlining their position. And call the referendum as soon as you can set up the polling booths and people to count the votes, next month would be nice.

I'm already so fed up of it:(, I might have to move to some remote, er Scottish isle ( I can see a flaw in my plan there;)), with no broadband or newpapers.

Enterprise_1701C

All I can take from this is that Sturgeon is looking to cause trouble. She KNOWS that Westminster will have to deny the referendum while Brexit is being dealt with.

What she would like is the wishes of a tiny part of the UK to take priority over the rest of the UK. There was a majority in the UK as a whole to leave the EU. If it was THAT important to Scotland then more than 67.2% of the population would have voted. We know they can get out to vote, 85% voted in the "once in a generation" independance vote. She is acting like a toddler after being told she cant have her favourite biscuit, she thinks if she rattles on it enough then she will get her own way.

She should be informed in no uncertain terms that we have enough on our plates while we work on Brexit without having to deal with silly little children too. If she had any common sense she would concentrate on getting Scotland's economy on track, at least then they would have half a chance of surviving if they did get independence.

Of course, if she really wanted independence rather than an excuse to argue with Westminster at every turn, then she would give the vote to the rest of the UK too. It does after all affect the whole of the UK.

sss555s

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

All I can take from this is that Sturgeon is looking to cause trouble. She KNOWS that Westminster will have to deny the referendum while Brexit is being dealt with.

What she would like is the wishes of a tiny part of the UK to take priority over the rest of the UK. There was a majority in the UK as a whole to leave the EU. If it was THAT important to Scotland then more than 62% of the population would have voted. She is acting like a toddler after being told she cant have her favourite biscuit, she thinks if she rattles on it enough then she will get her own way.

She should be informed in no uncertain terms that we have enough on our plates while we work on Brexit without having to deal with silly little children too. If she had any common sense she would concentrate on getting Scotland's economy on track, at least then they would have half a chance of surviving if they did get independence.

Of course, if she really wanted independence rather than an excuse to argue with Westminster at every turn, then she would give the vote to the rest of the UK too. It does after all affect the whole of the UK.

I thought women ware good at multi-tasking! They can have a team working on Brexit and a team working on Sexit if they must.

A lot in Scotland don't give a s**t about Brexit as we were totally ignored pre and post the vote, which is another good reason for this vote to go ahead.

Enterprise_1701C

May is multitasking, she is PM of the UK and is running the country. Don't actually see Sturgeon multitasking at the moment.

vivatifosi

Watching the political pundits on TV, they think that May will delay the vote until after Brexit, when Scotland will be fully aware of the outcome. She is likely to cite the Barroso doctrine, which apparently states that even though Scotland is part of the EU as part of the UK, they would have to apply to join, not stay in. Therefore May can argue that the timing is not as important as Sturgeon suggests.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/mar/13/independent-scotland-would-have-to-apply-to-join-eu-commission-says