The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Shakethedisease

Conrad wrote: »

Belgium, Italy, Spain and others all have potential break away regions on thier hands.

I cannot see them voting to allow Scotland entry, for years and years at least.

I'd be far more impressed with Scotland seeking full independence rather than looking for the next teat. Are you frightened of full autonomy of the kind other independent nations are comfortable with?

To be perfectly honest Conrad, I think Sturgeon will ask for the same thing the UK is apparently asking for. A transitional deal. Only in the opposite direction from the UK with full membership of the EU question put to Scots again later on.

Alberto Nardelli‏Verified account 8h8 hours ago

3) There is a question of interim: how can some argue UK can get a transitional deal, but Scotland can’t (when latter's would be simpler)?

There's too much mileage rightly or wrongly in the border/UK/EUtrade/Spanish veto question right now, as well as a lot of Yes to No's who aren't convinced like yourself about the EU. She said herself today that she can't assume everyone who voted Yes in 2014 also voted to Remain in the EU. So take what you will from that really.

With those debates out of the equation it will be up to both the Scottish Govt and Westminster to make their cases based on purely domestic political and economic grounds. Definitely better than other countries internal constitutional questions taking center stage for the next year or so and muddying the debates imo.

antrobus

Conrad wrote: »

Belgium, Italy, Spain and others all have potential break away regions on thier hands.

I cannot see them voting to allow Scotland entry, for years and years at least.

I'd be far more impressed with Scotland seeking full independence rather than looking for the next teat. Are you frightened of full autonomy of the kind other independent nations are comfortable with?

The Barosso Doctrine applies.

The EU has made it very clear that an independent Scotland would have to reapply for membership. A position that was confirmed today by Margaritis Schinas (Chief Spokesperson of the European Commission) who said, “The Barroso doctrine, would that apply? Yes that would apply, obviously”.

I don't see any hypothetical independent Scotland having a major problem in rejoining the EU, at least once they have their deficit sorted out. But rejoin they will have to. Only nation states can sign up to the EU, EFTA, EEA whatever, independence is a precondition.

TrickyTree83

beecher2 wrote: »

V strange assumption, but whatever gives you solace

You know that strange assumption... I was wrong, it increased, dramatically.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/180642

It keeps ticking up all evening. It's on 14,576 at the time of writing.

TrickyTree83

antrobus wrote: »

The Barosso Doctrine applies.

The EU has made it very clear that an independent Scotland would have to reapply for membership. A position that was confirmed today by Margaritis Schinas (Chief Spokesperson of the European Commission) who said, “The Barroso doctrine, would that apply? Yes that would apply, obviously”.

I don't see any hypothetical independent Scotland having a major problem in rejoining the EU, at least once they have their deficit sorted out. But rejoin they will have to. Only nation states can sign up to the EU, EFTA, EEA whatever, independence is a precondition.

All those weeks telling Shakey she and her coterie were wrong... I feel vindicated.

sss555s

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

All those weeks telling Shakey she and her coterie were wrong... I feel vindicated.

Wrong about what?

sss555s

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

You know that strange assumption... I was wrong, it increased, dramatically.

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/180642

It keeps ticking up all evening. It's on 14,576 at the time of writing.

You're getting excited when a village worth of people have clicked the button. Potentially half of Scotland could click it as the vote seems to be around 50-50 at the moment.

I hope you're not going to spam the thread with regular updates every time it ticks up a few clicks. :undecided

TrickyTree83

sss555s wrote: »

You're getting excited when a village worth of people have clicked the button. Potentially half of Scotland could click it as the vote seems to be around 50-50 at the moment.

I hope you're not going to spam the thread with regular updates every time it ticks up a few clicks. :undecided

No it was just a rebuttal to my assumption apparently being "very strange", except I code software for statistical analysis and have done so for over a decade, so it probably wasn't...

elantan

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Manufactured? Haha you cannot be serious... the journo was getting to her, fishing, and she took a bite. Attempted a small back peddle towards the end with a 'quip' a newly turned teenager would be proud of.

eh no ... The guy started answering the question he was asking ... she stated it was her job to answer questions unless he wanted to ..
Nothing big ... calm down we have a long way to go yet ... its just heating up

Thrugelmir

elantan wrote: »

its just heating up

Should be interesting. As the challenge for NS is not to repeat Salmonds own goals. This time around needs to answers not deflections.

elantan

And the challenge of BT is not to mess up like they did last time ... its gonna be a fun watch that's for sure