The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

I don't expect anything beyond what I have stated: that the longer the SNP hold power the less popular they will become. You apologism for the SNP's misdeeds is a manifestation of what I am saying and it will kick you in the Arsenal.

I don't believe that the SNP has members and representatives that are any better or any worse than any other mass party. I do believe that this strange SNP exceptionalism will end in tears. For you, not for me.

No I'm a realist. I'm 45 and and for as long as I can remember up until 2007 Scotland was Labour no matter what. Everything changed in 2007 and has accelerated from 2011 onwards and still is. There are 45% of Scottish voters who want to leave the UK, and it's holding remarkably steady. Time is on the SNP's side. Labour is now third in Scotland. The Conservatives on a very unremarkable 22% in second.

Nothing is going back to the days when Labour and the Conservatives slugged it out for top billing up here. The whole premise of your statement suggests that you actually think it will, and soon by the sounds of it. Hosie having an affair am afraid isn't going to change anything. No one really apart from the gutter press think it's important. And the SNP have never claimed to be exceptional, nor any sort of guardians of personal morality or sex lives. That's all in your own head.

You'll be waiting a while for my arsenal to be kicked. Cameron's will long before mine is. Or Sturgeon's come to that.

Generali

Shakethedisease wrote: »

No I'm a realist. I'm 45 and and for as long as I can remember up until 2007 Scotland was Labour no matter what. Everything changed in 2007 and has accelerated from 2011 onwards and still is. There are 45% of Scottish voters who want to leave the UK, and it's holding remarkably steady. Time is on the SNP's side. Labour is now third in Scotland. The Conservatives on a very unremarkable 22% in second.

Nothing is going back to the days when Labour and the Conservatives slugged it out for top billing up here. The whole premise of your statement suggests that you actually think it will, and soon by the sounds of it. Hosie having an affair am afraid isn't going to change anything. No one really apart from the gutter press think it's important. And the SNP have never claimed to be exceptional, nor any sort of guardians of personal morality or sex lives. That's all in your own head.

You'll be waiting a while for my arsenal to be kicked. Cameron's will long before mine is. Or Sturgeon's come to that.

You are looking at the world through your SNP filter as always. I do not think that Scotland will go back to being a Labour fief (thankfully) nor to Labour and Tories slugging it out.

Hosie having an affair is of no concern to anyone but him and his divorce lawyer. Hosie having an affair on the public's shilling is a very different thing. If he has claimed a tryst on expenses then that sounds a lot like fraud to me and fraudsters should be in gaol.

Generali

Cripes:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/05/25/scottish-alcohol-sales-increase-to-equivalent-of-41-bottles-of-v/

SNP ministers have attempted to bolster their fragile legal case for introducing alcohol minimum pricing by pointing to new figures showing Scottish sales increased last year to the equivalent of 41 bottles of vodka per adult.

The NHS Scotland report found a downward trend in sales over recent years had reversed in 2015, mainly due to a greater proportion being sold through supermarkets and off-licences, which hit their highest level since records began.

That means the average Scot is drinking almost 21 units of alcohol a week!

kabayiri

What do the SNP do about alcohol though?

Stick up prices on shop bought alcohol, and you will end up the booze cruise trips to large drink warehouses in places like Carlisle!

The SNP wants to show it has a radical new agenda promoting the Scottish people first...and it will do this by ... err, following populist policy. No tough love or medicine then.

Hmm, does not compute eh Spock?

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Generali wrote: »

Cripes:

That means the average Scot is drinking almost 21 units of alcohol a week!

Crikey:

Have we caught up with the Australians yet?

Generali

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Crikey:

Have we caught up with the Australians yet?

Or indeed this Englishman!

http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/latestProducts/4307.0.55.001Media%20Release12013-14

"Across all alcoholic beverages, there were 9.7 litres of pure alcohol available for consumption in 2013-14 for every person in Australia aged 15 years and over," said Louise Gates from the ABS. "This is the lowest level since the early 1960’s."

I make that 24.5 bottles of vodka equivalent per year or 12 units a week. Now that's not quite the same calculation as I believe the Scottish figure is per 18+ year old whereas the Aussie figure is per 15+ year old.

Aussies don't drink as much as they used to. I put it down to immigration from continental Europe and Asia.

.string.

The Aussies have an advantage: good weather and cold beers go well together.

Although I suppose, for balance, one could link cold weather and Whisky consumption.

Everything is the result of climate change!

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

You are looking at the world through your SNP filter as always. I do not think that Scotland will go back to being a Labour fief (thankfully) nor to Labour and Tories slugging it out.

Hosie having an affair is of no concern to anyone but him and his divorce lawyer. Hosie having an affair on the public's shilling is a very different thing. If he has claimed a tryst on expenses then that sounds a lot like fraud to me and fraudsters should be in gaol.

I'm looking at it through the filter of parliamentary expenses rules and a recent investigation of 46 MP's. Something which seems to have passed you by. We went back and forth on this expenses issue last year re McNeil, you must've forgotten.

27 March 2015

Forty six MPs have claimed expenses for London rent or hotels despite owning a property in the capital, a Channel 4 News investigation has found.

MPs are permitted to claim more than £20,000 a year in London rent, and £150 a night for hotels. The practice is allowed under rules set by expenses watchdog, the Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority (Ipsa), that oversees what MPs can claim.

There is no suggestion of wrongdoing by any of the 46 MPs. Our investigation raises questions about whether the new Ipsa expenses system allows taxpayers' money to be used appropriately, and whether MPs can still gain. The list of 46 MPs include 25 Conservatives, 14 Labour, and four from the Liberal Democrats.

..Last night MPs said new Ipsa rules banning mortgage claims forced them to let out their second home to be able to afford mortgage and associated costs. Others said they switched to renting or staying in hotels to try to minimise costs.

http://www.channel4.com/news/mps-expenses-46-claim-in-london-despite-owning-a-property

I think you'll find Hosie and McNeil have done nothing wrong, nor broken any rules. There's plenty of Tory and Labour MP's do exactly the same. No mention of overnight guests either.

A source added that MPs are not required to register guests with the Independent Parliamentary Standards Authority, the body set up to scrutinise MPs’ expenses after the 2009 scandal.

Generali

Someone seems to think the shaggers have something to answer for otherwise there would be no investigation.

Thrugelmir

.string. wrote: »

The Aussies have an advantage: good weather and cold beers go well together.

No drinking allowed on the streets.