The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Shakethedisease

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Interesting poll out tonight from ICM.

Scots in favour of Keeping Trident = 43% --- Against = 42%

Scots in favour of Indyref2 in the case of Brexit = 48% - Against = 52%

Good thing Sturgeon's all in favour of "respecting the will of the Scottish people" then....

Depends how it was phrased in the question. Keeping Trident produces markedly different results in polling from Renewing Trident.

Which was it ?

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Which was it ?

No idea.

Original poll questions not published yet.

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

Erm...

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/sep/27/david-cameron-denies-lord-ashcroft-allegations-call-me-dave-dead-pig



That's a pretty straight forward denial.

As for the SNP, they're showing themselves to be just as venal and corrupt as everyone else.

The serial shaggers are being referred to the Parliamentary standards commissioners for having an affair on the public's quid:

http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/politics/affair-claim-snp-mps-reported-to-standards-commissioner-1-4131570



Naughty boys. We understand if they can't keep it in their trousers but they could at least have the decency to pay for it themselves.

To move away from those sordid little men, it looks like the SNP's chronic mismanagement of the CAP IT project is set to cost the Scottish people a fine of up to £125,000,000. That's about fifty quid per employed Scottish person.

http://www.farminguk.com/News/Scottish-taxpayers-face-125m-fine-after-farm-payment-errors_39809.html

That is another example of the sort of operational balls-up that is an inevitable part of governing that slowly leaches support away from a ruling party. If I was a taxpayer in Scotland I'd be quite miffed, if I was a farm labourer that had just lost my job because of the £365,000,000 that hasn't been paid to farmers because of this mess then I'd probably be a little bit more than miffed.

I'd probably avoid slinging too much mud about politicians having relationships with prostitutes:

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14501783.SNP_council_veteran_victim_of_blackmail_plot_after_wife_is_exposed_as_an_escort/

Oh dear, May hasn't turned out to be the best month for the SNP.

Don't be ridiculous. Half of all marriages end in divorce and infidelity is a common factor. You've lost all sense of context and are simply flinging mud because it's the SNP. Hosie won't be seeking re-election as deputy. Sad, but given that the SNP are consistently held to entirely different and much higher standards than any other UK political party in the media ( Whittingdale ), not entirely surprising.

Best over with now as you say, in May, a mere 2 weeks after the election. Another four/five years yet in power for the SNP regardless. Given the Cup Final yesterday... it's looking doubtful that Labour, Tories and Greens are going to be able to gleefully push through the repeal of the OBFA which was first on the agenda of 'showing the SNP up'.

Oh and Hamish ( for obvious reasons ) missed this bit from the same poll. Fantastic that independence support is still building even now since we're all sick of elections and referendums at the moment. A really nice base to start with over the next few years 48%. The 55% are no more. Just wait till Cameron goes...

Respondents were also asked how they would vote if a second independence ballot was held, with 44% backing a Yes vote, 47% backing No, while 8% did not know. When "don't knows" are excluded, 52% would vote No, with 48% voting Yes.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Oh and Hamish ( for obvious reasons ) missed this bit from the same poll. Fantastic that independence support is still building even now since we're all sick of elections and referendums at the moment. A really nice base to start with over the next few years 48%. The 55% are no more. Just wait till Cameron goes...

Ummm, it's not building, it's falling. This result is worse than the last one ICM did on this topic where Indy broke 50%....

Besides, the 8% don't knows would likely break heavily for the status quo just as they did in indfyref, a margin of 2/1 at least I'd suspect.

Which puts us right back to somewhere around 56/44.... Basically unchanged since indyref.

HornetSaver

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Depends how it was phrased in the question. Keeping Trident produces markedly different results in polling from Renewing Trident.

Which was it ?

Has it ever been phrased as "should the majority of Faslane's jobs be relocated to SW England?" in a reputable poll?

A biased question obviously, but Scots are going through a second major referendum in two years right now, so I'm sure you'll appreciate that overt bias is a regular feature of binary decisions, and can and does influence people.

Shakethedisease

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Ummm, it's not building, it's falling. This result is worse than the last one ICM did on this topic where Indy broke 50%....

Besides, the 8% don't knows would likely break heavily for the status quo just as they did in indfyref, a margin of 2/1 at least I'd suspect.

Which puts us right back to somewhere around 56/44.... Basically unchanged since indyref.

Hamish, there's a few years to go until the next one. It's looking kind of iffy for you. 48% is a fabulous starting point for the next one. Especially given like I said that everyone is getting heartily sick of elections, referendums and campaigns. There's been no real let up since 2011 really. Where the SNP counted themselves lucky if the polls for independence were hitting 30% on a very good day.

I'm delighted. It won't kick off again until Cameron goes and Labour in Scotland lose their councils. I think there will be more than a few Labour to SNP defections in councils next year perhaps ?

Shakethedisease

HornetSaver wrote: »

Has it ever been phrased as "should the majority of Faslane's jobs be relocated to SW England?" in a reputable poll?

A biased question obviously, but Scots are going through a second major referendum in two years right now, so I'm sure you'll appreciate that overt bias is a regular feature of binary decisions, and can and does influence people.

The SNP, Scottish Labour and the Greens ( who currently hold the balance of power in Holyrood ) are all against Trident renewal. 56, mabye 57 Scottish MP's are against renewal. As well as a majority of Holyrood MSP's.

It will be renewed anyway and regardless by English MP's of all colours.

Osborne has already started the renewing. However, Scots in the main would rather it wasn't based a few miles from one of the biggest cities and populated areas in Scotland yes. SW England can have it anytime they want. But they won't want it. Not next to where they live.

Polling wise, asking if you want to keep Trident, and asking if you want to pay to renew Trident produce different results. Hamish and Generali seem unaware of the difference.

Generali

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Don't be ridiculous. Half of all marriages end in divorce and infidelity is a common factor. You've lost all sense of context and are simply flinging mud because it's the SNP. Hosie won't be seeking re-election as deputy. Sad, but given that the SNP are consistently held to entirely different and much higher standards than any other UK political party in the media ( Whittingdale ), not entirely surprising.

LOL. Whittingdale

1. wasn't married
2. Didn't get the taxpayer to pay for his hotel rooms!

If these two had affairs then that's between them and their wives. If these two defrauded their expenses then that's, ultimately, a matter for the courts.

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Best over with now as you say, in May, a mere 2 weeks after the election. Another four/five years yet in power for the SNP regardless. Given the Cup Final yesterday... it's looking doubtful that Labour, Tories and Greens are going to be able to gleefully push through the repeal of the OBFA which was first on the agenda of 'showing the SNP up'.

Oh and Hamish ( for obvious reasons ) missed this bit from the same poll. Fantastic that independence support is still building even now since we're all sick of elections and referendums at the moment. A really nice base to start with over the next few years 48%. The 55% are no more. Just wait till Cameron goes...

Well the Hibbies didn't seem that bothered by OBFA when they punched the Rangers keeper in the back of the head...

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

LOL. Whittingdale

1. wasn't married
2. Didn't get the taxpayer to pay for his hotel rooms!

If these two had affairs then that's between them and their wives. If these two defrauded their expenses then that's, ultimately, a matter for the courts.

They didn't defraud on expenses. Everything was above board. As for Whittingdale..

The tale of Stewart Hosie shagging someone who wasn’t his wife has dominated the Scottish press for the past week. You’d think that we’d been teleported back to the 1950s. Compare and contrast the treatment received by Stewart Hosie with that of Tory John Whittingdale MP, the minister in charge of press regulation and broadcasting. Whittingdale had an affair with a dominatrix whom he took to official functions on expenses, yet he’s still in office. If you look up double standards in the dictionary, you’ll find a wee note telling you to refer to the British press.

https://weegingerdug.wordpress.com/2016/05/23/the-sightlines-of-the-prams/

Well the Hibbies didn't seem that bothered by OBFA when they punched the Rangers keeper in the back of the head...

I've little interest in football myself. But the OBFA Labour MSP James Kelly was first out of the starting blocks with the above saying he was going to push for repeal. About a day after the election I think it was. And it was only just over a year ago Jim Murphy was all for reintroducing sales of alcohol at football games. Scottish Labour need to get a grip !

Shakethedisease

Seems this, rather more important than Hosies extra-marital affair, Conservative electoral expenses row is about to hot up.

Conservatives call for investigation into SNP MPs over expenses scandal amid allegations of affairs

The SNP have upped the ante somewhat...

SNP calls for Met Police to investigate Tory election fraud

SNP MP Pete Wishart wrote to the Met Police to call for an investigation into whether the Tories attempted to subvert the Representation of the People Act in the way they recorded their election spending.
"Currently there are some 10 police forces investigating the electoral expenditure of some 28 Conservative candidates who contested the 2015 General Election," he said in a letter disclosed to Channel 4 News.


"Where the ongoing cases will take their legal course, the Conservative Party as a whole must be properly investigated to ascertain if there was any systematic attempt to circumvent electoral legislation defining candidate and national expenditure.


"If evidence is found of wrongdoing I am asking you to submit that evidence to the Director of Public Prosecutions."

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/scottish-national-party-call-for-met-police-to-investigate-tory-election-fraud-a7042396.html


Guido Fawkes is apoplectic ranting about Sturgeons helicopter, but is unable to equate that to bus loads of activists, since she was the only one in it along with her PA and staffer or with Tory activist hotel expenses. Someone else on Twitter is circulating rumours that the whole thing is about to go nuclear at either 10pm tonight or mid morning tomorrow..

Éoin ‏@LabourEoin May 22 Belfast, Northern Ireland
Massive story to break very soon about Tory Election Fraud. I'm sworn to silence until it does. This scandal is about to go nuclear

Some massive revelations due to be published about the Tory Election Fraud Scandal that I am not allowed to say. Tip of the iceberg this far

Preparations to unveil the next chapter in the Tory Election Fraud Scandal are at very advanced stages. This is worth waiting for I assure u

Hmmm I'll take all those tweets with a pinch of salt. However, if by any chance he's right I reckon Hosie's expenses might be long forgotten about by tomorrow night.