The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

elantan wrote: »

I imagine though paying for a prostitute with the peoples money is frowned upon, I don't imagine cocaine and hookers looks good as an expenses claim ... maybe not maybe the UK citizens s like paying for prostitutes ... I know I don't

How do you feel about SNP MP's getting a 17 year old drunk and taking her to bed for a three way session with another teenager?

In 2007, SNP MP MacNeil was forced to make a humiliating public apology after our sister paper the Sunday Mail revealed he romped on a hotel bed with two teenagers.He fondled the girls while his wife Jane was pregnant in hospital with their third child.

Minister’s daughter Judie Morrison, who was 17 at the time of the incident in 2005, told how MacNeil bought drinks in a hotel bar for her and her pal Catriona Watt, then 18.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/western-isles-mp-angus-macneil-7994085#vYJkLAR3fRM7OAgy.99

His love triangle with the English journalist, while cheating on his wife in taxpayer funded hotel rooms, is probably nothing new in terms of sleaze.

But to be honest managing to successfully outdo the tories on the sleaze front is nothing to be proud of.

HornetSaver

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

But to be honest managing to successfully outdo the tories on the sleaze front is nothing to be proud of.

Nothing to be proud of. But an achievement nonetheless.

Shakethedisease

I don't think any party will ever outdo the Tory party when it comes to sleaze. No worries there.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I don't think any party will ever outdo the Tory party when it comes to sleaze. No worries there.

The Tories displayed the same arrogance before their sleaze epidemic tarnished their reputation for a couple of decades.

Between the investigations into Thompson's likely mortgage fraud and claims of ripping off cancer victims, McGarry's theft accusation problems, Hosie cheating on his wife while playing away at Westminster, and MacNeils dalliance with teenagers while his wife was pregnant and now shagging the same Westminster groupie as Hosie....

Well....

Lets just say the Tories reputation for sleaze showed a distinct lack of ambition by comparison.;)

HornetSaver

elantan wrote: »

I do know if I was Mr C and a close confident accused me of sticking my penis in a severed pigs head and I had not done it, not only would I vehemtly state my case, I would demand an apology and sue the person for telling lies... hmmmm not happened yet has it ?

The court case would still have kept the whole thing going though, whereas the topic has gone pretty cold now.

Innocent or not, what possible benefit would he have gotten from trying to sue a multi-billionaire? £500k and a piece of paper confirming that on balance of probability the statements were not true? Would that amount of money change his life, or significantly worsen Ashcroft's?

But the wider issue with scandals is surprisingly straightforward. It always comes down to whether it's a moral issue, a case of taking from the taxpayer, or out-and-out illegality. The first of those should be dealt with through the democratic system - be that a resignation, revokation of party membership, or being voted out. Where those people survive, feel free to use it as evidence that the electoral process is broken. The other two scenarios should be dealt with though the justice system (and where those people survive, feel free to use it as evidence that the whole thing is bent).

Generali

elantan wrote: »

I imagine though paying for a prostitute with the peoples money is frowned upon, I don't imagine cocaine and hookers looks good as an expenses claim ... maybe not maybe the UK citizens s like paying for prostitutes ... I know I don't

It's rather strange how Mr C hasn't actually stated he never put his penis in a severed pigs head, I'm sure that would have been all over the news if he had, he remained silent on the subject, I don't think it's too hard to speculate why he remained silent

I do know if I was Mr C and a close confident accused me of sticking my penis in a severed pigs head and I had not done it, not only would I vehemtly state my case, I would demand an apology and sue the person for telling lies... hmmmm not happened yet has it ?

Funny how we don't seem.to hear much about the Tories being investigated for election fraud, that's not going away and yet it has to really be brought into the full media spotlight.... a cynical person may think the whole SNP thing is being used as a distraction from what the Tories have been up to

And maybe not a cynical person as well

Erm...

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/sep/27/david-cameron-denies-lord-ashcroft-allegations-call-me-dave-dead-pig

David Cameron has for the first time publicly denied allegations made in a biography written by the former Tory donor Lord Ashcroft that he was involved in a bizarre university club ritual with a dead pig’s head.

The prime minister said everybody could see straight through the book published by Ashcroft, and confirmed he was disputing the specific allegation that he put a private part of his anatomy in a dead pig’s mouth at an event of the Piers Gaveston Society when he was a student.

That's a pretty straight forward denial.

As for the SNP, they're showing themselves to be just as venal and corrupt as everyone else.

The serial shaggers are being referred to the Parliamentary standards commissioners for having an affair on the public's quid:

http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/politics/affair-claim-snp-mps-reported-to-standards-commissioner-1-4131570

Two SNP MPs have been reported to the parliamentary standards watchdog over allegations they conducted affairs with a journalist at hotels or accommodation paid for on expenses.

Naughty boys. We understand if they can't keep it in their trousers but they could at least have the decency to pay for it themselves.

To move away from those sordid little men, it looks like the SNP's chronic mismanagement of the CAP IT project is set to cost the Scottish people a fine of up to £125,000,000. That's about fifty quid per employed Scottish person.

http://www.farminguk.com/News/Scottish-taxpayers-face-125m-fine-after-farm-payment-errors_39809.html

That is another example of the sort of operational balls-up that is an inevitable part of governing that slowly leaches support away from a ruling party. If I was a taxpayer in Scotland I'd be quite miffed, if I was a farm labourer that had just lost my job because of the £365,000,000 that hasn't been paid to farmers because of this mess then I'd probably be a little bit more than miffed.

I'd probably avoid slinging too much mud about politicians having relationships with prostitutes:

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14501783.SNP_council_veteran_victim_of_blackmail_plot_after_wife_is_exposed_as_an_escort/

Oh dear, May hasn't turned out to be the best month for the SNP.

elantan

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

How do you feel about SNP MP's getting a 17 year old drunk and taking her to bed for a three way session with another teenager?

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/western-isles-mp-angus-macneil-7994085#vYJkLAR3fRM7OAgy.99

His love triangle with the English journalist, while cheating on his wife in taxpayer funded hotel rooms, is probably nothing new in terms of sleaze.

But to be honest managing to successfully outdo the tories on the sleaze front is nothing to be proud of.

Well if all people were consenting and available and legal age then who amni to judge really ... I don't think the severed head was consenting...

HornetSaver wrote: »

The court case would still have kept the whole thing going though, whereas the topic has gone pretty cold now.

Innocent or not, what possible benefit would he have gotten from trying to sue a multi-billionaire? £500k and a piece of paper confirming that on balance of probability the statements were not true? Would that amount of money change his life, or significantly worsen Ashcroft's?

But the wider issue with scandals is surprisingly straightforward. It always comes down to whether it's a moral issue, a case of taking from the taxpayer, or out-and-out illegality. The first of those should be dealt with through the democratic system - be that a resignation, revokation of party membership, or being voted out. Where those people survive, feel free to use it as evidence that the electoral process is broken. The other two scenarios should be dealt with though the justice system (and where those people survive, feel free to use it as evidence that the whole thing is bent).

It hasn't went quiet though, here we are still talking about it ... it's just stayed out of MSM ... that's not really hard to do though if your the PM

elantan

Anyway I'm away on my holidays for a fortnight, try and behave while I'm gone and have fun

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Interesting poll out tonight from ICM.

Scots in favour of Keeping Trident = 43% --- Against = 42%

Scots in favour of Indyref2 in the case of Brexit = 48% - Against = 52%

Good thing Sturgeon's all in favour of "respecting the will of the Scottish people" then....

Generali

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Interesting poll out tonight from ICM.

Scots in favour of Keeping Trident = 43% --- Against = 42%

Scots in favour of Indyref2 in the case of Brexit = 48% - Against = 52%

Good thing Sturgeon's all in favour of "respecting the will of the Scottish people" then....

It shows that there is a limit to the power of looking past the sale, effectively what the SNP is doing with the idea of a post-Brexit Referendum.