The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Shaka_Zulu

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Scots historically don't vote Conservative in numbers enough for them to gain power in Holyrood. That's just a plain fact.

Let me correct that lazy statement for you, remember what goes around comes around.

Scots historically "haven't yet" voted Conservative in numbers enough for them to gain power in Holyrood.

It was only 25 years ago that all the MPs could muster were three.

Back to your main point it is not the Tories that pushed Brexit that was us the people who did that! So my point stands.

Shaka_Zulu

The only rather pathetic attack the Nats have is the "Tories, we must stop the Tories". Why is that?

Because they have nothing else to say they are a busted flush.

mollycat

elantan wrote: »

Ps it's a Scottish parliament we have ... but I'm sure you know that

BTW, if we have a parliament, (and a massive subsidy from rUK)....

Why on earth do we need to destroy our economy and services by having independence as well?

Shaka_Zulu

Taking a quick look at some of the loons running for council seats brought this one up. He would if elected be sitting on Shakeys council

An SNP candidate for the upcoming council elections has been criticised after appearing to urge a no voter to emigrate in a Twitter exchange. Stephen Brown, who is one of two SNP candidates standing in the Dalry and West Kilbride ward of North Ayrshire council, made the now deleted remarks on Sunday.

In an exchange with unionists on social media, Brown told one pro-Union account “Sadly agree … but maybe you’ll emigrate after #indyref2 as we will need the space for all the civic minded Europeans.” Brown has since deleted his entire Twitter account.

The businessman, as treasurer of Citizens Advice Scotland, was once criticised for appearing to falsely claim that he was a Lord who was descended from royalty

Not only a loon but a wannabe Walter Mitty :rotfl:

Shakethedisease

Shaka_Zulu wrote: »

Let me correct that lazy statement for you, remember what goes around comes around.

Scots historically "haven't yet" voted Conservative in numbers enough for them to gain power in Holyrood.

It was only 25 years ago that all the MPs could muster were three.

Back to your main point it is not the Tories that pushed Brexit that was us the people who did that! So my point stands.

The Tories do not have the time to build support on a party political basis before another referendum or vote is likely. They are still sitting 20 points behind the SNP at almost solely the expense of Labour.

And I'd go further, and say that if/when Ruth Davidson steps down for any reason then the Tories in Scotland will go backwards. She's the only real asset they have with most people unable to name any other Scottish based MSP/MP.

As for a binary yes/no vote in the near future. You are correct. Any Yes campaign, just like Labour very robustly did during every election since the 1970's onwards... will use the thought of Conservatives in power for the foreseeable future as considerable leverage. Brexit won't be framed as the reason for independence, it will be framed as right wing Tories ignoring Scotland's wishes as they always do. It will prove an extremely effective political message as it always has been in Scotland. It works especially well with older Labour voters who've spent decades voting against Conservatives in order to keep them out of UK/Scottish politics. And from reading through casual Facebook and other social media commentary it's already a message that's bringing former No voters up short when they are presented with it ( usually after they have a rant about Sturgeon). Once they start looking out rather than in... different story.

There were still half a million of those still voting Labour in May 2016. Any Yes campaign would be well advised imo to concentrate vast efforts there in the next year or so.

The only rather pathetic attack the Nats have is the "Tories, we must stop the Tories". Why is that?
Because they have nothing else to say they are a busted flush.

We'll have to see about that won't we.

Shakethedisease

Shaka_Zulu wrote: »

Taking a quick look at some of the loons running for council seats brought this one up. He would if elected be sitting on Shakeys council

An SNP candidate for the upcoming council elections has been criticised after appearing to urge a no voter to emigrate in a Twitter exchange. Stephen Brown, who is one of two SNP candidates standing in the Dalry and West Kilbride ward of North Ayrshire council, made the now deleted remarks on Sunday.

In an exchange with unionists on social media, Brown told one pro-Union account “Sadly agree … but maybe you’ll emigrate after #indyref2 as we will need the space for all the civic minded Europeans.” Brown has since deleted his entire Twitter account.

The businessman, as treasurer of Citizens Advice Scotland, was once criticised for appearing to falsely claim that he was a Lord who was descended from royalty

Not only a loon but a wannabe Walter Mitty :rotfl:

So he was just a candidate then ? Not actually elected ? Earth shattering revelations... Nope.

Shakethedisease

All those Labour councils ranting about money and SNP cuts. Telling a few fibs here and there were they ?

Scotland's councils declare underspend of £450m as reserves close in on £2bn

SCOTLAND'S councils have reported a financial surplus of £450million for the past year and currently sit on cash reserves of over four times that, official figures show.
In the annual overview of where the country's 32 councils spend and raise their money, Scotland’s Chief Statistician has revealed that revenue reserves have increased in the past financial year by around 2.6 per cent to £1.89billion.
The surplus has also risen by around £100m between 2014/2015 AND 2015/2016.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15122862.Scotland_s_councils_declare_underspend_of___450m_as_reserves_close_in_on___2bn/

Now if savings on the council budget had been possible by bring in capital expenditure lower than forecast by good management, I could forgive this underspend. But it now appears to be Labour councils starving their services of cash in order to present an SNP Bad scenario.

Unforgivable

Quite.

elantan

Oh Ian Smart sunk to a new low last night I see . Those nasty nats again no doubt

Molly I would've been surprised if u did know any yessers most I know try and stay away from angry people.... apart from angry salmond of course

davomcdave

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Nice try. But I'm married to an Englishman and three of my children were born in England and lived there for their many of their youngest years.

Predictable, boring, deflective and shows a real misunderstanding of what and why ordinary Scottish residents are currently voting the way they do ( ie SNP ). Equating it with anti-English sentiment is just lazy, and we've been round the block on this 1000 times since 2011 as well as having to read Clapton's many rants about 'Flower of Scotland' ..so am stifling yawns re reading the same old, same old.

Scots historically don't vote Conservative in numbers enough for them to gain power in Holyrood. That's just a plain fact.



Brian Wilson ( ex Labour MP, anti-devolutonist, anti-independence and Scotsman columnist ) is quite correct.

Some of my best friends are English!

Scotland historically did vote Conservative. In the 50s they were getting a 50% share and in the 60s they were getting a third. Are you seriously trying to suggest that Scots reject free markets and individual freedoms in favour of the jackboot and nanny-statism? One of the great things about both Ruth Davidson and Theresa May is that they give a powerful voice to modern Conservative ideology.

I thought this was a particularly good piece:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/02/17/ruth-davidson-gay-working-class-bull-riding-outspoken-scotand/

(paywall)

mollycat

elantan wrote: »

Molly I would've been surprised if u did know any yessers most I know try and stay away from angry people.... apart from angry salmond of course

No, not at all. Perfectly happy with my lot thanks

But I don't think you are

I'll try and explain the psychology of it for you; it's called projection.

Just suppose after the Brexit vote someone may have realised they wouldn't be able to emigrate for "health reasons" as planned, (just like lots of other people in the same boat who have probably accepted it due to their respect for democracy).

As as that someone cannot accept democracy, they then promote a strong case for Independence, not overtly for the selfish reason of maintaining FOM for themselves, but on the highly debateable basis that Scotland will be better off outwith the UK.

As they engage with others in this debate they come across those who disagree with them. These people are seen as potential deniers of the goal, (to emigrate), and therefore an emotional response is formed to them.

This will usually take the form of dislike, even hatred, possibly envy and fear.

As these emotions are negative and usually self destructive in nature, the person will seek to suppress these as they cause turmoil, self loathing and bitterness. ie The person subconsciously knows is unacceptable to harbour these emotions.

Eventually, they will reject these emotions psychologically, (to protect their psychological wellbeing) by projecting them onto others; in this case accusing someone on the internet they have never met, (myself), as angry and bitter, repeatedly.

Sound about right?

Now that I have explained the psychology to you my expectation is that you refrain from personal insults, given you have a greater understanding of the root of those insults.

And before the usual pontificating poster arrives here to accuse me of "personalising the debate"; this conversation was not started by myself.

ps Hope you got on okay with that "big exam"