The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Shakethedisease

Thrugelmir wrote: »

This weeks semon from the pulpit to the faithful........

Keep digging that hole ever deeper Nicola. Second guessing has a nasty habit of making one look extremely foolish.

Second guessing what ? The Leave campaign were happy to promise oodles of powers defaulting to Holyrood including fishing and agriculture before the vote. After the vote, not so much. But the thing is that they DO default to Holyrood unfortunately for those that wish them to become UK bargaining chips. However, no Scottish MP or MSP has been able to get a straight answer or in fact any answer on UK 'plans' for them. While May et al is blabbing on about UK Single Markets and deals that will benefit Spanish fishermen.

No wonder the Times and several other newspapers are reporting that May 'fears' a second referendum this morning. They've spent far too long f***ying about thinking Sturgeon was bluffing.

The PM’s options aren’t good. Although notionally the right to hold a referendum is power reserved to Westminster, the prospect of the elected government at Holyrood asking for another only to be refused by the Tory in London is the worst thing that could happen to the Union since, well, Brexit.

In any case, there is nothing to stop the SNP holding a non-binding, Scotland-wide consultative poll, putting further pressure on the constitutional settlement between Scotland and the rest of the United Kingdom.

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2017/02/scotlands-referendum-will-be-uglier-and-nastier

mollycat

Shakethedisease wrote: »

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics/staggers/2017/02/scotlands-referendum-will-be-uglier-and-nastier

And aren't some people rubbing their hands in glee at this^^^

Champing at the bit for the opportunity to vent their hate, grudge, and offence at their fellow Scots; none of it with any justification.

And you people regard yourselves as patriotic?

Pathetic.

kabayiri

Should Brexit go poorly, and should Scotland somehow achieve independence in the same timeframe, tell me ... just how warm and accommodating would rUK be to their newly independent neighbour?

It'd be a complete bunfest; a competition to pinch work opportunities. The EU won't be able to fill the gap left.

Should Scotland support and barter hard for a successful Brexit then you'd find a lot of friends down south of the border.

Your choice

Shakethedisease

kabayiri wrote: »

Should Brexit go poorly, and should Scotland somehow achieve independence in the same timeframe, tell me ... just how warm and accommodating would rUK be to their newly independent neighbour?

rUK will have 27 other nations to worry about in terms of who's going to be warm and accommodating. Scotland only needs to worry about rUK. *According to the papers it only takes the mere mention of a second referendum getting real for the pound to fall ( though shouldn't it be going up getting rid of such a terrible economic burden to the UK ? ).

rUK out of the EU and sans Scotland is going to be in trouble on many fronts, never mind what Scotland's GERS figures say. Cameron knew it, the markets know it and so does May. May should've taken Sturgeon's proposals seriously or at least pretended to instead of ignoring them thus far. But you never know.

It'd be a complete bunfest; a competition to pinch work opportunities. The EU won't be able to fill the gap left.

Should Scotland support and barter hard for a successful Brexit then you'd find a lot of friends down south of the border.

Your choice

Maybe if the recent Holyrood elections had produced a First Minister called Dugdale or Davidson. But alas, Scots voters went for something along the lines of "believes should have the right", something something, "second referendum" something something "out of the EU against our will". That's what folks in Scotland voted for in May 16 so that's what the First Minister has to go with. What can one do when the people vote for things like that apart from accept it as the will of the people.

* Might have been more to do with the FOM cut off date but no one wants to say so.

elantan

mollycat wrote: »

And aren't some people rubbing their hands in glee at this^^^

Champing at the bit for the opportunity to vent their hate, grudge, and offence at their fellow Scots; none of it with any justification.

And you people regard yourselves as patriotic?

Pathetic.

You talking about yourself here Molly ? You just seem awfy angry just now ... are ye feart of your country governing itself or something ?

Shaka_Zulu

In all of Shakey's posts I think if you change the word Tories for English (and any Scots who don't agree) you will be able to take away a greater understanding of what the Nats are all about.

It is not a Tory brexit, it is the will of the majority of the people of the UK.

But that doesn't suit the Nats agenda.

So please when reading Shakey's/SNP posts [STRIKE]Tories[/STRIKE] and exchange for English then it makes much more sense.

cogito

I am all in favour of people having the right to self- determination so if a majority of Scots were to vote for independence, no obstacles should be put in their way. They are a resourceful people so should have no problem establishing their own currency and central bank. They are also proud so should be happy to forgo any financial support from rUK.

As they are running a large deficit, they will bear this with fortitude as they wil realise that the lack of credit history will mean that tax increases and spending cuts will be necessary as they will be unable to borrow cheaply on the markets.

They will realise that they will have to join the EU waiting room and join the EEA instead therefore paying into the EU rather than taking out.

All these things are OK as they will be independent. I wish them all the best.

kabayiri

cogito wrote: »

I am all in favour of people having the right to self- determination so if a majority of Scots were to vote for independence, no obstacles should be put in their way. They are a resourceful people so should have no problem establishing their own currency and central bank. They are also proud so should be happy to forgo any financial support from rUK.

As they are running a large deficit, they will bear this with fortitude as they wil realise that the lack of credit history will mean that tax increases and spending cuts will be necessary as they will be unable to borrow cheaply on the markets.

They will realise that they will have to join the EU waiting room and join the EEA instead therefore paying into the EU rather than taking out.

All these things are OK as they will be independent. I wish them all the best.

I completely agree.

The timing of the independence referendum is not within the SNP's gift though.

There are other issues which have priority now, and which affect the whole of the UK. Many of these are due to Brexit but we have a new USA president with possible differing outlook on defence and global geopolitics.

As it happens, we have an UK-wide government to deal with these issues.

That's handy!

This is what devolved government means. Certain issues which affect all the people are handled by a government elected by all. I don't want Nicola Sturgeon to determine my future. I had no opportunity to vote for her; Tasmina (any party will do); or any of her colleagues.

Maybe Scotland should wait for the next Saudi-Iran crisis to develop into a war and push oil prices up?

davomcdave

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Maybe if the recent Holyrood elections had produced a First Minister called Dugdale or Davidson. But alas, Scots voters went for something along the lines of "believes should have the right", something something, "second referendum" something something "out of the EU against our will". That's what folks in Scotland voted for in May 16 so that's what the First Minister has to go with. What can one do when the people vote for things like that apart from accept it as the will of the people.

* Might have been more to do with the FOM cut off date but no one wants to say so.

Nope. You had your chance and mucked it up.

No point in whinging about it now, it's too late.

setmefree2

Nicola Sturgeon’s ‘neverendum’ is hammering the Scottish economy

But hold on. In fact, Sturgeon’s ‘neverendum’ campaign is already hurting her country’s faltering economy. It is already doing significantly worse than the rest of Britain. With the added uncertainty of yet another referendum, it may be wiped out completely. It is surely time the nationalists stop playing games and started worrying about jobs and growth instead.

http://blogs.spectator.co.uk/2017/02/nicola-sturgeons-neverendum-hammering-scottish-economy/


PS I don't actually mind if Scotland stays or goes - I just think they should make a decision and stick with it- for your own sake's.