The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Shakethedisease

Hintza wrote: »

I somehow doubt that will be the case, even if you did meet the criteria by some miracle there is no guarantee of entry.

Scotland already meets the criteria since we're in right now. And if you're trying to tell Scots that Scotland will be the only country in Europe ( which wants to be ) that the EU has ever told to 'get tae' then you're havering.

Feb. 10, 2017

EU Officials Are Discussing How To Fast-Track An Independent Scotland’s Entry

High-ranking EU officials and European politicians are holding ongoing discussions about how to speed up Scotland’s entry to the EU should it become an independent country in the future..

..He continued: “We have discussed it in Germany and also in Brussels. I’m in Brussels today and there have been a lot of political meetings here, and this was one of the issues – Brexit first, but second also a way for Scotland to step in.”

“The people are in favour here – all these politicians, all high-ranked officers that we talked to,” said Spinrath. “They say ‘we recognise the willing of the Scottish people to be in the EU and we accept this and we welcome this because they are very close to us and to the European spirit’.

Detlef Sief, the spokesperson on Germany’s EU committee for Angela Merkel’s party the Christian Democratic Union, also confirmed to BuzzFeed News that he had held informal discussions in Brussels regarding an independent Scotland’s future entry to the union.

“We all know that [Brexit] would not be a good way and Scotland is a country who supports the EU and who has the understanding of an EU member,” said Sief. “It’s a country that works together in the spirit of peace, of cooperation, and understanding of people – not only in economic projects like some politicians in England believe.”

https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamieross/eu-officials-are-discussing-how-to-fast-track-an-independent?utm_term=.fiMVJypMwl#.vfVevbdNJW

Full article at link. Lots of 'informal' discussions going on hmmm ?

Moto2

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Scotland already meets the criteria since we're in right now. And if you're trying to tell Scots that Scotland will be the only country in Europe ( which wants to be ) that the EU has ever told to 'get tae' then you're havering.

Feb. 10, 2017https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamieross/eu-officials-are-discussing-how-to-fast-track-an-independent?utm_term=.fiMVJypMwl#.vfVevbdNJW

Full article at link. Lots of 'informal' discussions going on hmmm ?

Buzzfeed? steady on with the high level reportage

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Buzzfeed and the Express ? Steady on with the high level reportage. ..............

chris_m

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Scotland already meets the criteria since we're in right now. ?

Scotland is only "in" because it is part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland - just the same as Wales, Northern Ireland, England, Cumbria, Yorkshire and all the other counties right down to the Isle of Wight and Rutland.

mollycat

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Scotland already meets the criteria since we're in right now. And if you're trying to tell Scots that Scotland will be the only country in Europe ( which wants to be ) that the EU has ever told to 'get tae' then you're havering.

Feb. 10, 2017https://www.buzzfeed.com/jamieross/eu-officials-are-discussing-how-to-fast-track-an-independent?utm_term=.fiMVJypMwl#.vfVevbdNJW

Full article at link. Lots of 'informal' discussions going on hmmm ?

Rubbish.

Complete 100% rubbish; as usual.

I predict a post in the near future from this poster saying this is obviously "a joke". :rotfl:

Shakethedisease

Moto2 wrote: »

Buzzfeed? steady on with the high level reportage

Touche :T;)

However Jamie Ross takes a lot of flak from the pro indy side, it's unusual to see him write an article like this one and the one he did about Spain and vetos a few weeks back. But what I will say for him is that knows the ( Scottish ) issues inside out.

Shakethedisease

Vice President of the @EPP: Independent Scotland "would be most welcome" in the European Union.

Jacek Saryusz-Wolski Verified account ‏@JSaryuszWolski
"Independent Scotland would have to apply to join EU" - Only Scotland can decide, but if so, would be most welcome.

.string.

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Scotland already meets the criteria since we're in right now....

Just to refresh your memory, the main body of criteria is as follows Link here

Conditions for membership of the EU

Chapters of the acquis

Chapter 1: Free movement of goods
Chapter 2: Freedom of movement for workers
Chapter 3: Right of establishment and freedom to provide services
Chapter 4: Free movement of capital
Chapter 5: Public procurement
Chapter 6: Company law
Chapter 7: Intellectual property law
Chapter 8: Competition policy
Chapter 9: Financial services
Chapter 10: Information society and media
Chapter 11: Agriculture and rural development
Chapter 12: Food safety, veterinary and phytosanitary policy
Chapter 13: Fisheries
Chapter 14: Transport policy
Chapter 15: Energy
Chapter 16: Taxation
Chapter 17: Economic and monetary policy
Chapter 18: Statistics
Chapter 19: Social policy and employment
Chapter 20: Enterprise and industrial policy
Chapter 21: Trans-European networks
Chapter 22: Regional policy and coordination of structural instruments
Chapter 23: Judiciary and fundamental rights
Chapter 24: Justice, freedom and security
Chapter 25: Science and research
Chapter 26: Education and culture
Chapter 27: Environment
Chapter 28: Consumer and health protection
Chapter 29: Customs union
Chapter 30: External relations
Chapter 31: Foreign, security and defence policy
Chapter 32: Financial control
Chapter 33: Financial and budgetary provisions
Chapter 34 - Institutions
Chapter 35 - Other issues

Sure, some things are resident in Scottish Law, except as much as needs to be changed where there are links to UK Law.

But Scotland is not a country and does not have established Institutional competence in many of the other areas, like, well most of them actually because Scotland is not up and running as a Sovereign Country.

To take a few, no external relations or foreign policy as evidenced by establishment of embassies, treaties or otherwise with foreign currencies (except of course what is written on the back of Salmond's Fag Packet list of possible telephone contacts), nor is there a comprehensive tax collection service, nor is there a defence policy, let alone capability (having an on-going dispute with a NATO Member (rUK) over Trident does not count), nor does Scotland have a currency, a reserve Bank of the institution's to maintain such. Then there's the small matter of insolvency which any amount of magic financial levers falling like mannah from Heaven will not solve in an instance. Scotland has not established that it can operate as an economically viable country. It can in time, but that would be quite some years of austerity in the future.

So all that can be achieved, but it would take time and applying for membership will simply have to wait until the criteria have been met.

So it is indeed a matter of criteria, one of which is being allowed to join the queue.

Shakethedisease

.string. wrote: »

Just to refresh your memory, the main body of criteria is as follows Link here

Conditions for membership of the EU

Chapters of the acquis

Chapter 1: Free movement of goods
Chapter 2: Freedom of movement for workers
Chapter 3: Right of establishment and freedom to provide services
Chapter 4: Free movement of capital
Chapter 5: Public procurement
Chapter 6: Company law
Chapter 7: Intellectual property law
Chapter 8: Competition policy
Chapter 9: Financial services
Chapter 10: Information society and media
Chapter 11: Agriculture and rural development
Chapter 12: Food safety, veterinary and phytosanitary policy
Chapter 13: Fisheries
Chapter 14: Transport policy
Chapter 15: Energy
Chapter 16: Taxation
Chapter 17: Economic and monetary policy
Chapter 18: Statistics
Chapter 19: Social policy and employment
Chapter 20: Enterprise and industrial policy
Chapter 21: Trans-European networks
Chapter 22: Regional policy and coordination of structural instruments
Chapter 23: Judiciary and fundamental rights
Chapter 24: Justice, freedom and security
Chapter 25: Science and research
Chapter 26: Education and culture
Chapter 27: Environment
Chapter 28: Consumer and health protection
Chapter 29: Customs union
Chapter 30: External relations
Chapter 31: Foreign, security and defence policy
Chapter 32: Financial control
Chapter 33: Financial and budgetary provisions
Chapter 34 - Institutions
Chapter 35 - Other issues

Sure, some things are resident in Scottish Law, except as much as needs to be changed where there are links to UK Law.

But Scotland is not a country and does not have established Institutional competence in many of the other areas, like, well most of them actually because Scotland is not up and running as a Sovereign Country.

To take a few, no external relations or foreign policy as evidenced by establishment of embassies, treaties or otherwise with foreign currencies (except of course what is written on the back of Salmond's Fag Packet list of possible telephone contacts), nor is there a comprehensive tax collection service, nor is there a defence policy, let alone capability (having an on-going dispute with a NATO Member (rUK) over Trident does not count), nor does Scotland have a currency, a reserve Bank of the institution's to maintain such. Then there's the small matter of insolvency which any amount of magic financial levers falling like mannah from Heaven will not solve in an instance. Scotland has not established that it can operate as an economically viable country. It can in time, but that would be quite some years of austerity in the future.

So all that can be achieved, but it would take time and applying for membership will simply have to wait until the criteria have been met.

So it is indeed a matter of criteria, one of which is being allowed to join the queue.

Scotland already meets and implements all chapters of the acquis communautaire. There is no queue.

There is "no reason" an independent Scotland would not be accepted into the European Union, a key European Commission representative has said. Jacqueline Minor, head of representation for the European Commission in the UK, said the country would be "starting from a point different from other applicant countries" due to its current EU membership.

Speaking on the BBC's Good Morning Scotland programme Ms Minor was asked whether an independent Scotland would enter the EU.
She said: "I think, had Scotland achieved independence, there would be no reason why it would not be accepted into the normal accession process."

Ms Minor was then asked if Scotland would be prioritised in the accession process to the EU.
She added: "I think, obviously, there are some things that would facilitate that process, namely that Scotland would at a previous point have been aligned with the European acquis.
"So it would have a familiarity with European processes, it would probably still have on its statute books a fair amount of European rules, which would mean it was starting from a point different from other applicant countries, who normally have to go through the entire process of aligning their rules with European rules

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15086444._No_reason__independent_Scotland_would_fail_to_join_EU/

But you must acknowledge the real stupidity of the current May argument that Scotland being outside the EU being so terrible and a disaster.... is a reason not to vote for independence. It's laughable. With the UK Scotland WILL be out of the EU.

I mean really ! Time to get some much better unionist soundbites. Repeating tired old 2014 ones is only producing ironic hearty guffaws up here. And I think it's fair to say that the tone coming from the EU right now is a whole different ballgame from then.

.string.

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Scotland already meets and implements all chapters of the acquis communautaire. There is no queue.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/15086444._No_reason__independent_Scotland_would_fail_to_join_EU/



But you must acknowledge the real stupidity of the current May argument that Scotland being outside the EU being so terrible and a disaster's.... is a reason not to vote for independence. It's laughable. With the UK Scotland WILL be out of the EU.

I mean really ! Time to get some much better unionist soundbites. Repeating tired old 2014 ones is only producing ironic hearty guffaws up here. And I think it's fair to say that the tone coming from the EU right now is a whole different ballgame from then.

No Scotland does not meet the criteria for the reasons I gave, that is just deceptive SNP spin. They read too much into polite diplomatic speak. All that was said was the good starting point in, not that the criteria had all been met.

the current May argument that Scotland being outside the EU being so terrible and a disaster --- that's actually Sturgeon's argument.

scott_lithgows

.string. wrote: »

Just to refresh your memory, the main body of criteria is as follows Link here

Conditions for membership of the EU

Chapters of the acquis

Chapter 1: Free movement of goods
Chapter 2: Freedom of movement for workers
Chapter 3: Right of establishment and freedom to provide services
Chapter 4: Free movement of capital
Chapter 5: Public procurement
Chapter 6: Company law
Chapter 7: Intellectual property law
Chapter 8: Competition policy
Chapter 9: Financial services
Chapter 10: Information society and media
Chapter 11: Agriculture and rural development
Chapter 12: Food safety, veterinary and phytosanitary policy
Chapter 13: Fisheries
Chapter 14: Transport policy
Chapter 15: Energy
Chapter 16: Taxation
Chapter 17: Economic and monetary policy
Chapter 18: Statistics
Chapter 19: Social policy and employment
Chapter 20: Enterprise and industrial policy
Chapter 21: Trans-European networks
Chapter 22: Regional policy and coordination of structural instruments
Chapter 23: Judiciary and fundamental rights
Chapter 24: Justice, freedom and security
Chapter 25: Science and research
Chapter 26: Education and culture
Chapter 27: Environment
Chapter 28: Consumer and health protection
Chapter 29: Customs union
Chapter 30: External relations
Chapter 31: Foreign, security and defence policy
Chapter 32: Financial control
Chapter 33: Financial and budgetary provisions
Chapter 34 - Institutions
Chapter 35 - Other issues

Sure, some things are resident in Scottish Law, except as much as needs to be changed where there are links to UK Law.

But Scotland is not a country and does not have established Institutional competence in many of the other areas, like, well most of them actually because Scotland is not up and running as a Sovereign Country.

To take a few, no external relations or foreign policy as evidenced by establishment of embassies, treaties or otherwise with foreign currencies (except of course what is written on the back of Salmond's Fag Packet list of possible telephone contacts), nor is there a comprehensive tax collection service, nor is there a defence policy, let alone capability (having an on-going dispute with a NATO Member (rUK) over Trident does not count), nor does Scotland have a currency, a reserve Bank of the institution's to maintain such. Then there's the small matter of insolvency which any amount of magic financial levers falling like mannah from Heaven will not solve in an instance. Scotland has not established that it can operate as an economically viable country. It can in time, but that would be quite some years of austerity in the future.

So all that can be achieved, but it would take time and applying for membership will simply have to wait until the criteria have been met.

So it is indeed a matter of criteria, one of which is being allowed to join the queue.

Scotland is NOT a country?
U.K team in the football and rugby then?