The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

mollycat

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Watched the top video.

No facts, just feels. It's a pretty good summary of the independence arguments so far.

This guy, if these are indeed his own views... :wall: a classic example of an (allegedly) educated idiot. He says his view is that there will be no deal between the UK and the EU because the sides are too far apart.

Spot on!!

A few of these about.

They think by having the "insight" to "see beyond" the obvious economic argument that nullifies that argument, it will just go away.

Indulgent, Emperor's new clothes logic that is designed to persuade the gullible.

beecher2

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Watched the top video.

No facts, just feels. It's a pretty good summary of the independence arguments so far.

This guy, if these are indeed his own views... :wall: a classic example of an (allegedly) educated idiot. He says his view is that there will be no deal between the UK and the EU because the sides are too far apart. Well if that's the case, iScotland is screwed because that'll be 64% of Scottish trade under WTO tariffs, expect to lose most of the 64% and pay for the rest. But vote yes, because "feels".

Thought you'd maybe get an insight into how other people think. Not everyone thinks the same way as you do, and 'facts' are often simply conjecture since we do not know what will happen in the future.

People aren't idiots because they look at things a different way.

TrickyTree83

beecher2 wrote: »

Thought you'd maybe get an insight into how other people think. Not everyone thinks the same way as you do, and 'facts' are often simply conjecture since we do not know what will happen in the future.

People aren't idiots because they look at things a different way.

I accept other points of view based around facts.

There are none in that video, it is an opinion piece and a truly terrible one at that.

Did you skip over in a daze the comment he made about possible WTO terms and how "that means I'll vote Yes"?

Put another way, would you vote for independence if it meant 64% of Scotland's trade being subjected to tariffs along with all of the other known Scottish fiscal problems?

This gentleman is basically saying, if the UK gets a bad deal (and he thinks the UK will get a bad deal), that he would vote for independence. He's clearly not thought it through. Why would he harm 64% for 11%?

Either an educated idiot, or a propaganda artist. The guy may not even be who/what he says he is. Someone who is university educated and works in oil I would expect to have enough grey matter to work out that harming 64% is worse than harming 11% no matter what your morals might be. Try having morals when you're reliant on charity to feed your family.

In fact, this guy is talking about his ethics and morality as if anyone who identifies as British, or who voted to leave the EU doesn't have the same level as he. I'd like to see his face should he come face to face with someone who lost their job, home, family because of the economic hardship he wished on people so that he can go and visit his dad in Italy. I don't think he'd be preaching then, so he should stop preaching now.

The more I think about this piece the more it angers me that people like this exist (assuming he's not an actor). Claiming to think about their fellow country men/women whilst actually doing the complete opposite and just thinking about themselves. If you're going to be a !!!! at least be upfront about it and not a two faced git.

mrginge

beecher2 wrote: »

Thought you'd maybe get an insight into how other people think. Not everyone thinks the same way as you do, and 'facts' are often simply conjecture since we do not know what will happen in the future.

People aren't idiots because they look at things a different way.

Very true.

Fortunatly we will be able to assess the 'independence because there won't be a deal' logic long before a meaningful vote takes place.

beecher2

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

I accept other points of view based around facts.

LOL, not sure how relevant your acceptance or otherwise of other points of view are. No-one is going to have their minds changed on this thread, I'm merely signalling why a couple of people have changed from No to Yes. In addition, you've got Hamish's views on here. You don't agree with them, fine, but please stop dismissing people as idiots.

beecher2

Meanwhile, Panelbase poll for local elections in Scotland. We use STV so difficult to predict the make up of local government from this, but Labour really are dead in the water.

Nearly half of 2016 Labour votes voting elsewhere, splitting this way: 19% to the SNP, 21% to the Tories, 1% Lib Dem, 2% Green, 3% UKIP.

Panelbase council election poll:
SNP: 47%
Conservatives: 26%
Labour: 14%
Lib Dems: 5%
Greens: 4%

scott_lithgows

beecher2 wrote: »

Meanwhile, Panelbase poll for local elections in Scotland. We use STV so difficult to predict the make up of local government from this, but Labour really are dead in the water.

Nearly half of 2016 Labour votes voting elsewhere, splitting this way: 19% to the SNP, 21% to the Tories, 1% Lib Dem, 2% Green, 3% UKIP.

Panelbase council election poll:
SNP: 47%
Conservatives: 26%
Labour: 14%
Lib Dems: 5%
Greens: 4%

I love the local politicians who shout about how wonderful their local town is then head to Glasgow to support one of it,s football teams.
Hope we,ve got an independent option.

TrickyTree83

beecher2 wrote: »

LOL, not sure how relevant your acceptance or otherwise of other points of view are. No-one is going to have their minds changed on this thread, I'm merely signalling why a couple of people have changed from No to Yes. In addition, you've got Hamish's views on here. You don't agree with them, fine, but please stop dismissing people as idiots.

No.

I won't stop dismissing people as idiots if they prove that they are.

Right now the independence argument is as solid an argument as me claiming the moon is made of cheese and that you should believe me because I say so.

That may be your benchmark for vertias and facts, it's not mine.

scott_lithgows

beecher2 wrote: »

LOL, not sure how relevant your acceptance or otherwise of other points of view are. No-one is going to have their minds changed on this thread, I'm merely signalling why a couple of people have changed from No to Yes. In addition, you've got Hamish's views on here. You don't agree with them, fine, but please stop dismissing people as idiots.

People put other people down to try to feel better about themselves- I learnt that in primary school.

TrickyTree83

scott_lithgows wrote: »

People put other people down to try to feel better about themselves- I learnt that in primary school.

The irony.

Perhaps looking at the data would help you make a more informed decision?

If you refuse to look at all available information to come to a rational conclusion then you too may as well believe the moon is made of cheese because I said so, why look at the other evidence?

If you were to believe that, I would be correct to call you an idiot.

Sorry but some people don't live in the snowflake world where everyone's opinion is to be respected regardless of its basis in reality or not. In the same way that "demiboy" isn't a biological gender, Scottish independence is an economic disaster greater in magnitude than Brexit for the UK.

Yes you are possibly going to be asked to choose the lesser of two evils should indy2 come to pass. Which is worse for Scotland, Brexit, or indepenence. I've continually maintained that the economic data has and will continue to show that Brexit affects Scotland far less than the rUK and that independence affects Scotland far more than the rUK. The evidence for the choice you should make is abundantly clear, just like the evidence for the moon not being made of cheese.