The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

TrickyTree83

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Who cares.

It's all about Taking Back Control. Don't be expecting a running commentary either. Sturgeon needs to keep all her cards close to her chest. All you need to know for now is that when it happens it will be a Blue and White independence.. with maybe a touch of tartan for the final flourish. Big bus as well with a 'Vote No for the Tories' on one side and 'Braveheart was 100% fact based' on the other.

If the above is good enough for you to vote for independence from the EU, surely it's good enough for me re Scotland and the UK ? Why worry about all that having a plan guff. Chill.

It's finally happened.

You've abandoned all the arguments (presumably because you know your on the wrong side there) and will peddle lies and deceit like the rest of the SNP and the indy movement to achieve your aim. Your excuse being "it worked for Brexit", yet ask people who voted to leave on here if they voted for lies, ask them why they did it and take a look at what Brexit is looking like so far. You'll have a rude awakening if you think people voted for lies.

Like I said many pages ago - you're doomed to failure down this road. Your only hope of winning was to successfully address the issues people would be concerned about regarding independence. You haven't, indy haven't, the SNP haven't, and none will in my opinion given their stellar track record on doing so thus far.

Indy 2 (if it even happens!) will be the failure to end the movement until your children are drawing a pension. :T

CLAPTON

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Timing and tactics will be critical though.

this is presumably because neither you, shakey or nicola , trust the voters of scotland unless there is plenty of spin and lies.
personally I don't think that with holding vital information from the people of scotland will be a winning strategy.

maybe you should give honesty a try : it would be a fitting start to a new nation

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

CLAPTON wrote: »

maybe you should give honesty a try

Well having just seen the tactics employed by the Brexiteers be so successful I rather suspect that playbook will be copied closely.

It's entirely up to you to decide if you think that was 'honest' or not.

TrickyTree83

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Well having just seen the tactics employed by the Brexiteers be so successful I rather suspect that playbook will be copied closely.

It's entirely up to you to decide if you think that was 'honest' or not.

And yet the majority of the public who voted to leave will not have voted to do so based on any lies, if anything their minds were probably already made up before the campaign even began. Also conveniently forgetting the lies told by Remain, such as WW3, emergency budgets, etc... anyway independence won't happen, even if the referendum does. It's demonstrably bad for Scotland, which is a huge problem that your camp has failed to address.

CLAPTON

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Well having just seen the tactics employed by the Brexiteers be so successful I rather suspect that playbook will be copied closely.

It's entirely up to you to decide if you think that was 'honest' or not.

I do not think that either the brexit or the remain campaigns were honest.
Your refusal to recognise that both sides lied on an industrial scale demeans your position.
I have no particular view as to the morality of a lying SNP campaign for Iscotland : I just think a more honest campaign would be electorially more successful.
However, I accept that refusing to trust the people of scotland with the knowledge of which currency a Iscotland will use may be electorially helpful.: clearly shakey and you think so and you know the scottish people better than I.

mayonnaise

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

the lies told by Remain, such as WW3

WW3 was never mentioned by Remain. Why do you keep peddling these lies?

TrickyTree83

mayonnaise wrote: »

WW3 was never mentioned by Remain. Why do you keep peddling these lies?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=david+cameron+ww3+quote

Oh... oh... that'll be the PM campaigning for Remain coming out and saying what now?

CLAPTON

mayonnaise wrote: »

WW3 was never mentioned by Remain. Why do you keep peddling these lies?

Cameron ;

"Whenever we turn our back on Europe, sooner or later we come to regret it. We have always had to go back in, and always at much higher cost," he will say.

"The serried rows of white headstones in lovingly tended Commonwealth war cemeteries stand as silent testament to the price this country has paid to help restore peace and order in Europe.

"Can we be so sure that peace and stability on our continent are assured beyond any shadow of doubt? Is that a risk worth taking? I would never be so rash as to make that assumption

and numberous references to the peace ineurope being a consequence of the EU rather than 2 million US troops or USSR troops or general prosperity or other factors.

only a totally dishonest or bigoted person could avoid the conclusion that it was that brexit could lead to a breakdown in peace.

mayonnaise

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=david+cameron+ww3+quote

Oh... oh... that'll be the PM campaigning for Remain coming out and saying what now?

WW3 was never mentioned by Cameron. Stop peddling lies.

TrickyTree83

mayonnaise wrote: »

WW3 was never mentioned by Cameron. Stop peddling lies.

OK I'll retract "WW3" and replace it with:

"An as yet unnamed military conflict."

Does it make the Remain argument any less ridiculous? No. Any more true? No.