The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

TrickyTree83

Shakethedisease wrote: »

There'll be a vote one way or the other before Scotland leaves the Single Market and it will occur before Brexit is finalised. There has also been a few nuggets thrown about like below, and talk of transitional holding pens for Scotland should a vote for independence occur.



I've no idea how true any of the above is. We'll see after Article 50 starts things moving. I fully expect only then will the EU to make their collective position clear in the event of any Scottish independence vote. But whatever happens, it's unlikely to be a mere matter of timing which seals Scotland's ultimate path either way re the EU or the Single Market. Same as NI and Gibraltar.

I expect Sturgeon will be keeping her Scottish MEPs and the EU (unofficially) well informed regarding the Scottish Govt's future intentions. And probably vice versa after Article 50.

Have you found a way to convince the voters if your referendum happens yet? None of this gubbins to do with the EU matters if you're unable to convince Scots they'll be better off by being poorer. If you succeed, however you do it, I suggest you try selling ice to eskimo's after to replace the jobs you'll lose.

Thrugelmir

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I fully expect only then will the EU to make their collective position clear in the event of any Scottish independence vote.

Why would the EU express a collective position. Your assumptions border on the presumptuous. Onus is on Nicola to take the lead and create the reaction. Like any good states person leading their country.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

A piece in Reuters this afternoon regarding secession:

"Although a majority of those who voted against independence voted to remain in the EU, they're not necessarily committed to the EU to the same extent as they are to the UK," said political scientist John Curtice of the University of Strathclyde.

"I voted for Scottish independence and I voted to leave the EU. But I'm not sure independence is such a good idea any more," said Martin Quinn, 43, a builder-turned-taxi driver in Kirkintilloch, on the outskirts of Glasgow, which has pockets of deep economic deprivation.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-scotland-idUKKBN1532JB?il=0

Thrugelmir

Scotland's economy over the past year has expanded at less than one third of the rate of the UK as a whole.

Someone needs to focus on more important issues closer to home.

mrginge

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Someone needs to focus on more important issues closer to home.

That someone couldn't give a monkeys about issues closer to home.

Shakethedisease

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Why would the EU express a collective position. Your assumptions border on the presumptuous. Onus is on Nicola to take the lead and create the reaction. Like any good states person leading their country.

They've been pretty good at a collective position on Brexit so far. All singing from the same hymn sheet.

The onus is on Nicola to sit back and wait it out for a bit.

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

They've been pretty good at a collective position on Brexit so far. All singing from the same hymn sheet.

The onus is on Nicola to sit back and wait it out for a bit.

nicola's dithering may mean she misses the boat.

Shakethedisease

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

A piece in Reuters this afternoon regarding secession:

http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-scotland-idUKKBN1532JB?il=0

Comfort yourself with that thought.

From todays poll.

Probably the most important finding is a decisive 51% to 29% majority in favour of the Scottish Government's proposals for Scotland remaining in the single market being taken seriously by the UK government and raised in negotiations with the EU.

By a margin of 49% to 23%, respondents feel the Scottish Parliament should be consulted before Article 50 is triggered.

As you'd expect, people who voted Yes to independence in 2014 are strongly in favour of the Scottish Government's stance on both of the above questions.
More interesting, though, is that No voters are literally split down the middle, which raises the possibility that the UK government being seen to make no meaningful attempt to compromise could start to erode support for the union as the months go by.

http://scotgoespop.blogspot.co.uk

No voters. Half of them want Theresa May to take Sturgeon's proposals seriously and also want the Scottish Govt consulted every step of the way. They're probably in for a bit of wake up call with those aren't they ?

Shakethedisease

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Someone needs to focus on more important issues closer to home.

If the Scottish Govt ran the Scottish economy, Scotland would be independent.

Westminster runs Scotland's economy. How on earth did you manage to miss this ? Scotland gets pocket money to spend and some income tax raising powers that aren't even fully in force yet.

Rinoa

Shakethedisease wrote: »

If the Scottish Govt ran the Scottish economy, Scotland would be independent.

Westminster runs Scotland's economy. How on earth did you manage to miss this ? Scotland gets pocket money to spend and some income tax raising powers that aren't even fully in force yet.

And yet, when good economic news happens in Scotland, the SNP are happy to take the credit.