The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Shakethedisease

kabayiri wrote: »

Don't you worry that you will run out of time?

A50 will be triggered, and negotiations will start soon after.

The other EU states will assume they are negotiating with the UK entity as it stands now. How could they assume otherwise?

If the SNP come in with a referendum at the 11th hour, and introduce more complication, then who do you think will get the blame if it destabilizes the negotiations?

It will be directed at Scotland.

You could be seeking to join an union you have just antagonised.

Takes 16 weeks to hold a referendum/vote. Article 50 hasn't even been triggered yet. The EU will be fully aware of the UK's current political status regarding Brexit, Scotland, NI and Gibraltar.

They're probably expecting a referendum at some point so it will hardly be a surprise nor something that they'll be holding grudges over.

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

If Scotland votes Yes before Brexit negotiations are concluded,voted on and signed off in the EU parliament. Then it conducts it's own on going negotiations separately... and wouldn't have technically nor legally left the EU in the process ( since negotiations haven't been concluded, voted on and signed off in the EU parliament ).

Last time round was a different scenario completely. And anyway, for all the talk about Scotland being kicked out immediately after a Yes vote in 2014. As we now know it takes years and lots of negotiations.... Scotland and her 5 million EU citizens wouldn't have been kicked out very quickly, if at all.

what level of tarifs will scotland levy on English goods and services?

.string.

Shakethedisease wrote: »

The other options were a special deal for Scotland while still in the UK. Scottish voters need to see that it's either or. Cannot be in the UK and still part of the Single Market/EU. 28% of voters have still to make up their minds on that one along with the 5% DK's.

Dugdale and Rennie would have them believe otherwise via extensive UK and Scottish media coverage should Sturgeon call a referendum right now. May needs to close all 'special deals' options down first... then it really will be either or. For voters and Scottish Labour and Lib Dems.

Sept 2016

1. The EU is blocking a separate deal for Scotland.

2. As mentioned before the figures in that poll show that most prefer an option where Scotland remains in the UK

Thanks for saving me the trouble of hunting down that poll again. From The Times as I recal ???

.string.

Shakethedisease wrote: »

If Scotland votes Yes before Brexit negotiations are concluded,voted on and signed off in the EU parliament. Then it conducts it's own on going negotiations separately... and wouldn't have technically nor legally left the EU in the process ( since negotiations haven't been concluded, voted on and signed off in the EU parliament ).

Last time round was a different scenario completely. And anyway, for all the talk about Scotland being kicked out immediately after a Yes vote in 2014. As we now know it takes years and lots of negotiations.... Scotland and her 5 million EU citizens wouldn't have been kicked out very quickly, if at all.

Well you people have a real talent for self-bamboozlement; I suppose I should just sit back and watch you fall into a pit of your own making.

Enterprise_1701C

Shakethedisease wrote: »

If Scotland votes Yes before Brexit negotiations are concluded,voted on and signed off in the EU parliament. Then it conducts it's own on going negotiations separately... and wouldn't have technically nor legally left the EU in the process ( since negotiations haven't been concluded, voted on and signed off in the EU parliament ).

Last time round was a different scenario completely. And anyway, for all the talk about Scotland being kicked out immediately after a Yes vote in 2014. As we now know it takes years and lots of negotiations.... Scotland and her 5 million EU citizens wouldn't have been kicked out very quickly, if at all.

Scotland are not in the EU, they are part of a country that is in the EU. Last time they held the "once in a generation" independence referendum they were told that leaving the UK would mean leaving the EU, they simply chose to ignore that fact.

Personally, I think that the SNP lost all their credibility when they decided they did not like the result of the last referendum so would hold another one, in spite of being told that it was a once in a generation thing.

Shakethedisease

.string. wrote: »

1. The EU is blocking a separate deal for Scotland.

2. As mentioned before the figures in that poll show that most prefer an option where Scotland remains in the UK

Thanks for saving me the trouble of hunting down that poll again. From The Times as I recal ???

The EU hasn't said or blocked anything yet as they haven't entered into negotiations yet.. not that it matters, because you're another one that's completely and utterly missed the point. *rolls eyes*

Scottish politics isn't Westminster or EU politics. Sturgeons proposals are intended to clarify options, or the lack of them in HOLYROOD for all MSP's, political parties and for Scottish voters.

Not in Westminster or the EU.

Shakethedisease

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

Scotland are not in the EU, they are part of a country that is in the EU. Last time they held the "once in a generation" independence referendum they were told that leaving the UK would mean leaving the EU, they simply chose to ignore that fact.

Personally, I think that the SNP lost all their credibility when they decided they did not like the result of the last referendum so would hold another one, in spite of being told that it was a once in a generation thing.

It's 2017. I can't be bothered going back to 2014 and the unionist handbook of stock phrases.

Thrugelmir

Shakethedisease wrote: »

It's 2017. I can't be bothered going back to 2014 and the unionist handbook of stock phrases.

And time is passing for Nicola if she intends to call everyone's bluff. Be brave if bluster is all she has to offer in the way of a tangible vision.

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

The EU hasn't said or blocked anything yet as they haven't entered into negotiations yet.. not that it matters, because you're another one that's completely and utterly missed the point. *rolls eyes*

Scottish politics isn't Westminster or EU politics. Sturgeons proposals are intended to clarify options, or the lack of them in HOLYROOD for all MSP's, political parties and for Scottish voters.

Not in Westminster or the EU.

are you now saying there is more than one option : Iscotland - traitor

Shakethedisease

Thrugelmir wrote: »

And time is passing for Nicola if she intends to call everyone's bluff. Be brave if bluster is all she has to offer in the way of a tangible vision.

I love the way folks think Sturgeon is bluffing when the legislation is already written, the consultation period closed and is now going through Holyrood in preparation.

Salmond just confirmed tonight more or less what everyone else is thinking. Incidentally, everyone thought he was bluffing too in 2011.

Salmond predicts second independence referendum in autumn 2018

...Pressed on the timing of a possible second referendum, he said it would have to take place during the two-year Brexit negotiating period, which will begin in March when May triggers Article 50.
Mr Salmond said: "It has to be within the two-year negotiating period, so we would be talking about a year come the autumn, or something like that.


"You would have to have it within the two years, you would want to have the Scottish referendum before the Brexit process had been completed."

https://stv.tv/news/politics/1378431-salmond-predicts-second-independence-referendum-in-autumn-2018/