The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

TrickyTree83

Shakethedisease wrote: »

There are. But will only be known once independence is done and dusted.

Of course there is. The answer is obviously to take control of the Scottish economy from those who have run it as badly as you state and try something else. How else is the Scottish economy to recover ?

Scotland won't be leaving the EU in order to re-join EU. That's such a stupid idea. I don't know why you keep presenting it. She'll either remain as she is in the EU after independence, or leave the EU and join another organisation which includes full Single Market membership. As seamlessly as possible.
There are an awful lot of should's there that aren't based on the remotest of current realities.

I'm winding you up with my imaginary 'Vote No for the Tories' posters. But that doesn't make it any less of an effective message. I'm pointing out to you that it will be used though. Over and over again and you should get used to Sturgeon talking less about the EU, and more about what the Tories do or don't over the coming year or so. Is a message that will be hammered home.



The SNP aren't hated in Scotland. Don't base any futile hopes on that being the case going forward because it's very obvious that they're the most successful and voted for party going in Scotland at the moment. Something which is unlikely to change unless Scottish Labour get their act together. Davidson is going to crash and burn with no policies whatsoever, apart from trying to stop a referendum she's patently terrified of.

I don't believe I said anything about Scotland leaving or joining in my post... Funny that the standard of living Scots currently enjoy as part of the UK is down to being in the UK. The current deficit is because the SNP spend the money they're given. Imagine if they were serious about independence they would be holding back £15bn worth of spending at a minimum. Given the socialist paradise you claim Scotland is I doubt it would go down well. Less so if it was because independence won based on lies. It would be a rude awakening. Do you have any answers to that? Do the SNP?

sss555s

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Less so if it was because independence won based on lies. It would be a rude awakening. Do you have any answers to that?

Some seem to think that was fine for Brexit!

TrickyTree83

sss555s wrote: »

Some seem to think that was fine for Brexit!

Tacit admission that the independence movement is based on lies?

Please enlighten us all about the lies told to us about Brexit. Perhaps then you can set up a poll to give you an indication of how many people voted to leave based on them.

CLAPTON

sss555s wrote: »

Some seem to think that was fine for Brexit!

why the differren result I wonder?

maybe the scots believed the £3,000 per family subsidy and didn't want to lose it
and the English believed they were subsidising the EU as well as scotland and did want to lose it .

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Tacit admission that the independence movement is based on lies?

Please enlighten us all about the lies told to us about Brexit. Perhaps then you can set up a poll to give you an indication of how many people voted to leave based on them.

And where do you think Scots are getting wide scale unfettered access to these lies ? A handful of pro independence bloggers ? One newspaper only published on a Sunday, and in the National ?

Come off it. 45% of Scotland 'brainwashed' by wee ginger dug Lol. Though Kevin McKenna makes some very good points today I must say..

Two years before the first referendum, support for independence was running at around 28 per cent. In two years, the Yes campaign picked up 17 percentage points despite never having properly addressed the currency issue and being caught off-guard by the sheer scale of the propaganda exercise mounted against it by the UK establishment and its flunkies at the top of the Labour Party in Scotland.

If 2019 is to be the year for the second independence campaign (and I sincerely hope that it is) then the First Minister probably has the best part of this year at her disposal before announcing the date. She can then sit back for a few weeks; kick off the Manolos and enjoy the spectacle of a deeply unpleasant, privileged and authoritarian Home Counties woman attempting to deny the wishes of Holyrood before having to concede defeat. That might be worth a point or two in itself...

..Several factors, though, will actually run in the Nationalists’ favour when the second independence referendum comes. Not the least of these is that they have managed to maintain their 45 per cent Yes vote without campaigning. And though YouGov polling suggests significant numbers of Yes and No voters last time around crossing sides since then, this will concern the pro-independence side less than it will the Unionists

..A much better organised and respected Labour for Independence is at work once more and, if there is no repeat of the harassment and poison from within their own party it received the last time around, it will make progress. This time too, the Yes side will be alive to the artifices and mistruths of the UK establishment before they start. The London BBC will also be much more wary of repeating some of its more overt pro-Union bias.

http://www.thenational.scot/comment/15014288.Kevin_McKenna__Nicola_Sturgeon_only_told_us_what_we_knew_when_saying_there_would_be_no_indyref_in_2017/?ref=mr&lp=6

Is becoming increasingly the accepted view that another referendum will be happening though.

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

I don't believe I said anything about Scotland leaving or joining in my post...

Here perhaps ?

So where does the every day Scot have the most representation, since this referendum is to leave one union to join another?

TrickyTree83

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Is becoming increasingly the accepted view that another referendum will be happening though.

And yet there is no proof that backs up this assertion.

One was offered to Nicola which would happen after Brexit, she did not accept. I would not imagine that protagonists in Scotland can bully their way around the corridors of power and popular opinion in the UK. Sincerely, I think the English will have had enough of it. It's my belief that Nicola will be told to wait, again.

TrickyTree83

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Here perhaps ?

!!!!!! me, I forgot to put the word remain to placate. Please excuse. I'm well aware of the imaginary scenario that Scotland can remain.

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

And yet there is no proof that backs up this assertion.

One was offered to Nicola which would happen after Brexit, she did not accept. I would not imagine that protagonists in Scotland can bully their way around the corridors of power and popular opinion in the UK. Sincerely, I think the English will have had enough of it. It's my belief that Nicola will be told to wait, again.

Let me refer you again to McKenna's article.

the First Minister probably has the best part of this year at her disposal before announcing the date. She can then sit back for a few weeks; kick off the Manolos and enjoy the spectacle of a deeply unpleasant, privileged and authoritarian Home Counties woman attempting to deny the wishes of Holyrood before having to concede defeat. That might be worth a point or two in itself...

Then repeat after me. Soft Brexit for the UK, Soft Brexit for Scotland or indy ref 2 regardless of any polls or trends. Regardless of whether May likes it or not. The timing will be at Holyrood's behest as it's Holyrood's referendum after all.

Brexit triggered first though eh.

TrickyTree83

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Let me refer you again to McKenna's article.

Then repeat after me. Soft Brexit for the UK, Soft Brexit for Scotland or indy ref 2 regardless of any polls or trends. Regardless of whether May likes it or not. The timing will be at Holyrood's behest as it's Holyrood's referendum after all.

Brexit triggered first though eh.

We're back in puff the magic dragon land again.

Scotland is in no position to be bullying the rest of the UK. Clearly if a referendum is requested in Holyrood, it will then be debated in the UK parliament and granted (or not) at the behest of Westminster.

You can hold an advisory referendum in Scotland but it will hold no more power over Westminster than a poll on this forum.