The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

loadsacash wrote: »

Why do people seem to think that the Scots want Independence
- they voted no in 2014 and so far have shown no appetite for Indy2

Ah, there you have the crux of this thread.

You see, it is not that "Scots want Independence"; rather that some Scots want independence.
The most vocal of these wanting independence try to persuade others in this thread that many Scots seek independence.

That is not the case.
If you have the time and the inclination to read much of this thread you will soon see that a majority of Scots in fact do NOT want independence, as said by Scottish posters themselves.
Which pretty much supports what polls and research suggests.

Do not let pro-independence supporters lies and "spin" convince you otherwise.

TrickyTree83

sss555s wrote: »

Creative accounting like HS1-2 and Buckingham Palace refurb comes out of the UK tax pot while the Queensferry Crossing comes from Scotlands Barnet payment! Westminster has done a crap job of managing the UK and I think Scotland can better manage for Scotland. Your poor reasons are nothing that can't be dispelled or worked on.



Just like you don't speak for the whole of England. What is your point?

Love it, you know Scotland gains money from HS2 right? It's putting in a small amount and getting more back as a result of Barnett consequentials don't you?

http://stophs2.org/news/14673-barnett-inconsistency-adds-7-4bn-hs2-bill

My poor reasons? They are the same reasons the SNP is throwing a tantrum right now because we're leaving the EU. If my reasons are bad then the SNP's reasons for wanting to stay in the EU are also bad. That's without saying anything about inflicting greater damage on Scotland by needing to be independent to do so, but the point remains valid.

Which is it?

TrickyTree83

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Ah, there you have the crux of this thread.

You see, it is not that "Scots want Independence"; rather that some Scots want independence.
The most vocal of these wanting independence try to persuade others in this thread that many Scots seek independence.

That is not the case.
If you have the time and the inclination to read much of this thread you will soon see that a majority of Scots in fact do NOT want independence, as said by Scottish posters themselves.
Which pretty much supports what polls and research suggests.

Do not let pro-independence supporters lies and "spin" convince you otherwise.

I think the pro-indy supporters on here need to come to terms with being called out, challenged and roundly defeated on the debate. Accept that independence is not the answer and find a new pet project to obsess over so they don't have the potential to do anyone else any harm in future with misguided, misinformed beliefs.

Edit: Having a read of some stuff that is based on facts, evidence, and by someone who is more than willing to correct errors they make, who absolutely tears shreds out of the independence protagonists might be a good place to start.

Stop believing the lies.

http://chokkablog.blogspot.co.uk/2015/10/wings-and-his-wee-blue-book-of-errors.html

Edit 2: Loving the insights into the indy supporters mind in the comments of that blog post....

Anonymous said...
Wow, what a waste of time that was for you. The best you can do is highlight that his details were 'factually inaccurate' ...so what? big deal.
The stuff being churned out under project fear and the reactionary press during the referendum was also factually inaccurate and often just utter nonsense.
I think you need to get out more.
JEsus
25 October 2015 at 16:16

What a total muppet.

Thrugelmir

elantan wrote: »

http://www.lbc.co.uk/news/uk/britains-eu-envoy-quits-unexpectedly-ahead-of/

Not gonna be a smooth sailing out the EU by the looks of it

Was due to leave in November anyway. Possibly encouraged to leave now and let someone new take the reins for the entire duration of the negotiations.

mollycat

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Ah, there you have the crux of this thread.

You see, it is not that "Scots want Independence"; rather that some Scots want independence.
The most vocal of these wanting independence try to persuade others in this thread that many Scots seek independence.

That is not the case.
If you have the time and the inclination to read much of this thread you will soon see that a majority of Scots in fact do NOT want independence, as said by Scottish posters themselves.
Which pretty much supports what polls and research suggests.

Do not let pro-independence supporters lies and "spin" convince you otherwise.

I'd go further.

Most Scots are absolutely terrified at the prospect of this mobbish minority somehow being able to lie, manipulate and spin their way to the economic and cultural disaster that independence would be.

It is actually the people who voted NO in 2014 that love their wonderful land and are determined to protect it.

To the non Scottish based posters who help us to do this here, (and elsewhere), can I offer you my heart felt thanks

Thrugelmir

elantan wrote: »

Your arguments are old stale and have been proven false so many times now, you would be laughed out of Scotland if u came up here with that rubbish

Perhaps that's why the SNP are resorting to ever more desperate tactics. As they daren't debate the real topics that matter in peoples lives. Just like the Labour party in England they might well find themselves becoming irrelevant. As they become out of touch with average people. Voting Tory in protest would be a helluva wake up call.

sss555s

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Love it, you know Scotland gains money from HS2 right? It's putting in a small amount and getting more back as a result of Barnett consequentials don't you?

http://stophs2.org/news/14673-barnett-inconsistency-adds-7-4bn-hs2-bill

There is nothing conclusive yet. The only thing that article indicates is that Westminster are trying to bribe the SNP not to vote against HS2.
Throwing money at Scotland isn't the answer I'm looking for and I'd rather we controlled our own affairs for the long term betterment of Scotland.

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

My poor reasons? They are the same reasons the SNP is throwing a tantrum right now because we're leaving the EU. If my reasons are bad then the SNP's reasons for wanting to stay in the EU are also bad. That's without saying anything about inflicting greater damage on Scotland by needing to be independent to do so, but the point remains valid.

Which is it?

Says the Brexit supporter :rotfl:

elantan

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Love it, you know Scotland gains money from HS2 right? It's putting in a small amount and getting more back as a result of Barnett consequentials don't you?

http://stophs2.org/news/14673-barnett-inconsistency-adds-7-4bn-hs2-bill

My poor reasons? They are the same reasons the SNP is throwing a tantrum right now because we're leaving the EU. If my reasons are bad then the SNP's reasons for wanting to stay in the EU are also bad. That's without saying anything about inflicting greater damage on Scotland by needing to be independent to do so, but the point remains valid.

Which is it?

Oh aye cause a railway that stops 150 miles from our border will really help Scotland ... we get so much help from the Indian railways as well dontcha know

TrickyTree83

sss555s wrote: »

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There is nothing conclusive yet. The only thing that article indicates is that Westminster are trying to bribe the SNP not to vote against HS2.
Throwing money at Scotland isn't the answer I'm looking for and I'd rather we controlled our own affairs for the long term betterment of Scotland.




Says the Brexit supporter :rotfl:

The thing is, spending a little to make more makes financial sense for the Scott government. It might allow them to build 2 hospitals instead of one, or any numb of investment opportunities.

And my voting preference has nothing to do with the hypocrisy of supporting the SNP whilst they moan about lost jobs from brexit whilst advocating for larger losses to offset the smaller losses.

TrickyTree83

elantan wrote: »

Oh aye cause a railway that stops 150 miles from our border will really help Scotland ... we get so much help from the Indian railways as well dontcha know

What part of Scotland getting more than it puts in escapes you?