The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

TrickyTree83

This anti-Conservative agenda idea you have, it's dishonest politics.

It's like you're acknowledging that you cannot win the argument so you're going to try to smear someone on the opposition in the hope that undecideds (who you paint as complete morons) decide you're right and vote against the "nasty" people.

Looking at what has happened to Labour in the rest of the UK and Clinton in the US should be enough to tell you that this kind of strategy is going to backfire - big time. Not only would you lose any future referendum on independence but you'll forever tarnish the SNP even further to the point where they will be out of power come the next elections.

If independence is the answer - tell the people WHY!!!

That will be how you win, why is it better, why is the UK bad for Scotland, why would independence deliver more on the things people care about than they currently get as part of the UK? Why does being in the EU mean more than being in the UK?

If you can win all of those arguments you'll win over enough people to not have to resort to dirty tactics that people are going to see through and destroy you (see independence) over.

elantan

Why is the UK good for Scotland ? The no supporters have to talk a fair few people round on why it's good to remain under WM governance

TrickyTree83

elantan wrote: »

Why is the UK good for Scotland ? The no supporters have to talk a fair few people round on why it's good to remain under WM governance

Did we not discuss the economic impact of independence throughout this thread?

If you and yours value jobs, pensions, services, higher public spending, these things that the left generally complain like billy-o about then you'd better remain in the UK.

Were Scotland to be independent, oil won't save you, creative accounting by the independence movement doesn't actually generate money so that won't save you. There is no whiskey export duty, there is no missing money in GERS. Even if we assume that there is a percentage degree of inaccuracy there still wouldn't be £15bn to be found.

Cold hard truth says Scotland's economy is too closely tied to the UK to break away and for there to be rainbows, sunshine and unicorns grazing on the highlands and lowlands.

It's very much on the independence movement to prove otherwise, they've failed to do so for years, in the run up to 2014 and since it's just been a litany of failures to do so. They're now peddling the lie that leaving the EU is a bigger threat than independence. Why do you not acknowledge that this line is complete horse !!!!?

There's only one side telling lies about whether independence is good or bad for Scotland, it's on that side to prove their point without telling lies.

elantan

Ha ha ha ha ha ... please please come to the doors of Scotland and tell the people living here your story

Your arguments are old stale and have been proven false so many times now, you would be laughed out of Scotland if u came up here with that rubbish

But it's funny I will give you that

And just to keep us laughing please tell us how u believe the UK and Scotland should be out the EU but Scotland should stay in the UK

TrickyTree83

elantan wrote: »

Ha ha ha ha ha ... please please come to the doors of Scotland and tell the people living here your story

Your arguments are old stale and have been proven false so many times now, you would be laughed out of Scotland if u came up here with that rubbish

But it's funny I will give you that

It wouldn't be difficult.

Pick the one the SNP are currently flogging to death, the EU being more important than the UK. Show them the figures, they have a stark choice between some mild short term pain, if the figures are to be believed in ~80,000 job losses, or swinging medium to long term pain in ~1,000,000 job losses.

Then there's the trade figures of 64% with rUK and 11% with the EU.

These are simple statistics, produced by researchers and the Scottish government that put the choice into a stark contrast for people who don't follow politics or have an axe to grind.

Which do you think they would choose given these details? Independence or not?

The answer is obvious.

Edit: You call evidence based reasoning laughable?

You might find them stale and old but probably because they were as true years ago as they are today, and you've nothing to disprove them with. They haven't been proven false at all. I went through this pages back, even if you accept a ridiculously large degree of inaccuracy (I think I used 20%?) in the figures, they are hellishly bad for Scotland to choose independence. For professionally employed statisticians to be 20% out, they want sacking. My job is writing software to do statistical analysis, so you're fighting a losing battle, all of you on that one.

It's finished. The movement is finished. You've been outed as the charlatans you are, false memes, lies, propaganda, backtracking, etc... total deceit.

I'll never let you guys forget "Vote with independence in mind!".

elantan

And your insults of the Scottish people won't do you any favours either ... but please do keep it up

TrickyTree83

elantan wrote: »

And your insults of the Scottish people won't do you any favours either ... but please do keep it up

I'm not insulting Scottish people, I insult idiots because they deserve it.

Tromking

elantan wrote: »

And your insults of the Scottish people won't do you any favours either ... but please do keep it up

I love how the Nats in conversation/argument with the English presume to speak for the whole of Scotland.

loadsacash

Why do people seem to think that the Scots want Independence
- they voted no in 2014 and so far have shown no appetite for Indy2

sss555s

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Were Scotland to be independent, oil won't save you, creative accounting by the independence movement doesn't actually generate money so that won't save you. There is no whiskey export duty, there is no missing money in GERS. Even if we assume that there is a percentage degree of inaccuracy there still wouldn't be £15bn to be found.

Creative accounting like HS1-2 and Buckingham Palace refurb comes out of the UK tax pot while the Queensferry Crossing comes from Scotlands Barnet payment! Westminster has done a crap job of managing the UK and I think Scotland can better manage for Scotland. Your poor reasons are nothing that can't be dispelled or worked on.

Tromking wrote: »

I love how the Nats in conversation/argument with the English presume to speak for the whole of Scotland.

Just like you don't speak for the whole of England. What is your point?