The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Enterprise_1701C

elantan wrote: »

I personally don't see why she has to give something in return ... Scotland voted to remain ... she is just doing her job and looking out for what the majority of the people of Scotland voted for

BUT Scotland did not have a separate vote.

antrobus

elantan wrote: »

I personally don't see why she has to give something in return ... Scotland voted to remain ... she is just doing her job and looking out for what the majority of the people of Scotland voted for

EU membership is not a freebie. Membership of the Single Market is not a freebie. (See Norway.)

You could vote yourself a chicken from Tesco. That doesn't place any obligation on Tesco to simply hand over a chicken; they might want to negotiate some quid quo pro. That's the way the world works, you want to do a deal, you have to bring something to the table.

Or is Scotland some kind of charity case?

antrobus

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

BUT Scotland did not have a separate vote.

Quite.

Scotland overwhelmingly voted SNP in 2015. 56 out of 59 MPs. But that does not give Scotland any rights to demand anything in particular from the UK Government.

Shakethedisease

antrobus wrote: »

But Sturgeon has neglected to state what she (or Scotland if you prefer) is prepared to offer May in return. Neither has any information been provided as to what Scotland is prepared to offer the EU.

No more free lunches.

Time to put the money on the table.:)

I think your logic has gone a bit awol. Hypothetically, if Scotland votes to leave the UK. Then says 'right, can you remove us from Article 50 talks. we didn't vote for this and don't want to leave'... then technically/legally Scotland remains in the EU. Unless the EU insists that Scotland has to go with rUK. Will they ?

Like I said it's an unprecedented situation. But at the end of the day, Scotland won't/can't leave the EU unless it's part of Article 50. Which am fairly sure would be the first thing Sturgeon would call a halt on if there's a near future Yes vote. *

*This is ignoring other options such as EFTA/EEA etc.

kabayiri

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I think your logic has gone a bit awol. Hypothetically, if Scotland votes to leave the UK. Then says 'right, can you remove us from Article 50 talks. we didn't vote for this and don't want to leave'... then technically/legally Scotland remains in the EU. Unless the EU insists that Scotland has to go with rUK. Will they ?
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Just IMO.

I think it might come down to political expediency at the latter stages of the negotiations.

I mean, whenever do you hear of things EU being ahead of schedule? It's always last minute when something is pulled out of the bag.

So, turn it around.

What do the EU gain by doing a deal with a whole UK? Well, potentially quite a lot.

What do the EU gain by agreeing a deal with Scotland? Well, I guess you can tell me that. You're not going to be major contributors to the EU pot. You're pretty small in the EU scheme of things.

Enterprise_1701C

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I think your logic has gone a bit awol. Hypothetically, if Scotland votes to leave the UK. Then says 'right, can you remove us from Article 50 talks. we didn't vote for this and don't want to leave'... then technically/legally Scotland remains in the EU. Unless the EU insists that Scotland has to go with rUK. Will they ?

Like I said it's an unprecedented situation. But at the end of the day, Scotland won't/can't leave the EU unless it's part of Article 50. Which am fairly sure would be the first thing Sturgeon would call a halt on if there's a near future Yes vote. *

*This is ignoring other options such as EFTA/EEA etc.

Scotland is not a member of the EU, the UK is, so how could it possibly remain a member of something it is not a member of.

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I think your logic has gone a bit awol. Hypothetically, if Scotland votes to leave the UK. Then says 'right, can you remove us from Article 50 talks. we didn't vote for this and don't want to leave'... then technically/legally Scotland remains in the EU. Unless the EU insists that Scotland has to go with rUK. Will they ?

Like I said it's an unprecedented situation. But at the end of the day, Scotland won't/can't leave the EU unless it's part of Article 50. Which am fairly sure would be the first thing Sturgeon would call a halt on if there's a near future Yes vote. *

*This is ignoring other options such as EFTA/EEA etc.

scotland should be given the same concern and weight as the people of yorkshire : no more, no less

zagubov

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

BUT Scotland did not have a separate vote.

True. But it had an identifiable one, just like the other three home nations and Gibraltar had, and therein lie the seeds of discord.

Shakethedisease

kabayiri wrote: »

Just IMO.

I think it might come down to political expediency at the latter stages of the negotiations.

I mean, whenever do you hear of things EU being ahead of schedule? It's always last minute when something is pulled out of the bag.

So, turn it around.

What do the EU gain by doing a deal with a whole UK? Well, potentially quite a lot.

What do the EU gain by agreeing a deal with Scotland? Well, I guess you can tell me that. You're not going to be major contributors to the EU pot. You're pretty small in the EU scheme of things.

Is not about gaining. Is about Article 50 pure and simple. The only legal mechanism to leave the EU, and if Scotland is a part of it by the end of it. Should Scotland vote to leave the UK, then turn to the EU and say 'as you know Scotland doesn't want to leave the EU, please remove us from any further Article 50 negotiations regarding the rUK forthwith'.

Where does that leave Scotland. In or out ?

Shaka_Zulu

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Where does that leave Scotland. In or out ?

Out !