The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Shakethedisease

kabayiri wrote: »

I do think Nicola and her Green mates should consider those 1/3 of Scot voters who couldn't give a monkeys on matters EU.

It rather looks like this silent but sizeable minority is being ignored.

On what planet do you live where people who don't vote are the one's to be taken into consideration, and how they would've or might've voted guessed at. Rather than policies based on those who actually did vote ?

What a truly and totally weird stance to have kabayiri. That's like saying we should have guessed that loads of people would've voted Labour in the last General Election, but didn't, but are now being ignored. Which of course, is a completely daft way to look at things.

islandannie

Shakethedisease wrote: »

On what planet do you live where people who don't vote are the one's to be taken into consideration, and how they would've or might've voted guessed at. Rather than policies based on those who actually did vote ?

What a truly and totally weird stance to have kabayiri. That's like saying we should have guessed that loads of people would've voted Labour in the last General Election, but didn't, but are now being ignored. Which of course, is a completely daft way to look at things.

Wow what is your definition of democracy?
In 2014 we Scots decided to remain as a part of the United Kingdom.

Shakethedisease

.string. wrote: »

Which boils down to the fact that you don't know what May's plan is and can't pick holes in it, whereas Sturgeon's "plan" is out there and deserves all the ridicule it is getting.

Maybe in the UK media but that's always the case no matter what the SNP do. But if you widen your outlook a bit..

http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/brexit-schotten-wollen-im-eu-binnenmarkt-bleiben-a-1126824.html

http://m.srf.ch/news/international/schotten-fordern-kompromiss-von-london

http://www.telegraaf.nl/buitenland/27275651/__Schotse_wensen_Brexit__.html?utm_source=t.co&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=twitterfeed

http://www.leparisien.fr/international/brexit-comment-l-ecosse-veut-rester-dans-le-marche-unique-20-12-2016-6478164.php#xtor=AD-1481423553

http://www.rainews.it/dl/rainews/articoli/brexit-la-Scozia-svela-il-suo-piano-per-restare-nel-mercato-unico-02e7ed7e-645c-40ad-ae6a-93919cab5adc.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

http://www.rp.pl/Brexit/161229926-Szkocja-chce-dostepu-do-rynku-UE-i-miec-wiecej-uprawnien-po-Brexicie.html#ap-1

http://www.tagesschau.de/ausland/brexit-401.html

http://diepresse.com/home/politik/eu/5136986/Brexit_Schottland-erhoeht-Druck-auf-May

https://www.aktuality.sk/clanok/401037/sturgeonova-skotsko-chce-zostat-na-jednotnom-europskom-trhu/

http://www.elmundo.es/internacional/2016/12/20/585940dc22601d7b028b4656.html

There's loads more if you want them but you get the jist. But Sturgeon's speech yesterday has been very widely reported and covered in the EU. They seem really quite interested in the whole thing.

Moto2

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Theresa May is going to spend two years on her's, plus another 9 months before that... only for Spain to veto the UK's leaving deal because of Gibraltar leaving the Single Market.

As usual, you're just make stuff up or blindly believing Twitter drivel.
Spain (or any other state) cannot Veto the A50 deal, the agreement of 20 fellow EU states is required, no veto exists.

Shaka_Zulu

Shakethedisease wrote: »

They seem really quite interested in the whole thing.

Of course they are everyone loves the ecstasy of an internecine battle.

.string.

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Maybe in the UK media but that's always the case no matter what the SNP do. But if you widen your outlook a bit.

Perhaps you would like to say which article refers to a European head of government or EU official actually agreeing with Sturgeons "plan". Perhaps I missed it but I saw nothing although I have to admit I did not look at the polish stuff. They were just reporting the "plan".

Next you are going to claim that Salmond had negotiations with all 27 countries presumably. Sorry, I mean 26 since that claim has already been made for Spain. That went well didn't it.

And that's only from the EU perspective, Sturgeons so-called plan is impractical from the point of view of it being a solution implementable within the UK which is what she claims.

Drivel it remains.

kabayiri

Shakethedisease wrote: »

On what planet do you live where people who don't vote are the one's to be taken into consideration, and how they would've or might've voted guessed at. Rather than policies based on those who actually did vote ?
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She has a duty to represent ALL Scots, including the voters who did not express a preference in the EU vote.

You keep ignoring these voters when you quote the 62% figure, and I find it disingenuous...just like a politician in fact.

But you carry on with your spin

Enterprise_1701C

.string. wrote: »

2 Questions on the EU

What is the SNP policy on defence?

What is the SNP policy regarding being part of the EU Army?

Just curious if there is a policy.

Their only policy is to oppose the UK government on everything that matters, they probably would expect England to continue defending them until such time as they ceased to exist, ie managed to rejoin the EU. Why they would want to do that I do not know, I thought they wanted to be independent.

mollycat

kabayiri wrote: »

She has a duty to represent ALL Scots, including the voters who did not express a preference in the EU vote.

You keep ignoring these voters when you quote the 62% figure, and I find it disingenuous...just like a politician in fact.

But you carry on with your spin

Funny that; it's almost as if someone here is being paid to endlessly post propaganda in the form of links, quotes etc on a widely viewed discussion board, as part of a highly organised, high profile disinformation campaign.

Not terribly difficult to spot; cluster posting to relegate valid points well made to previous pages, responding to oneself with several consecuetive posts, and the occaisional letting down of the guard by informing others of what is to come, (from the SNP high command).

Wish my job was as easy!:rotfl:

Anyway; as we all now expect, (but are immune to), carry on with the spin!

kabayiri

mollycat wrote: »

Funny that; it's almost as if someone here is being paid to endlessly post propaganda in the form of links, quotes etc on a widely viewed discussion board, as part of a highly organised, high profile disinformation campaign.
...

Politically motivated types never make things clearer, only muddying the waters when it suits.

It's a shame modern referendums do not have 3 outcomes :

a) clear majority FOR
b) clear majority AGAINST
c) Inconclusive (anything less than some predetermined split, say 60/40).

The EU referendum and the Scottish referendum both fell into c) IMO.

This is a reflection that people are not happy with the current situation, but are divided on the next steps.

Unfortunately, this is beyond politicos. Now it's worse. Conflating independent referendums indeed!

Next, they will be pot stirring in Spain; speaking to Catalonia. What a dog's dinner!