The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

westernpromise

Shakethedisease wrote: »

SNP in favour of higher taxes on other people and the money given to themselves. Quelle surprise!

Thrugelmir

westernpromise wrote: »

SNP in favour of higher taxes on other people and the money given to themselves. Quelle surprise!

Big caveat of mitigating the risk. A neat get out clause. That if necessary this pledge may never have to be discussed again.

kabayiri

.string. wrote: »

What a yellow-livered excuse that bit in yellow was, and how extraordinary the attempt to blame Westminster for the SNP's own inaction. They are not going to do what their policy had promised because they don't know enough about the effect it would have? Then why propose it in the first place? Another one of those missing magical levers too. How do you guys put up with these economic pigmies? Who wrote that drivel?

It's what you'd end up with if you got your local solicitor handling your house conveyance to write your policy docs.

At least now I know where Shakey gets all her ifs; buts; and maybes from.

Moto2

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Is not really a good move. Not while still in the UK, too easy to 'move' for tax purposes while the Scottish Govt have no control over it.

Right, so the people of Scotland don't want less austerity and better funded services paid for by taxation and if it's imposed, they'll move?

Shakethedisease

Conrad wrote: »

I envisage a big swing to the Tories in Scotland at the next GE. Socialism does not deliver, it diminishes enterprise and slowly brings about a client state where citizens expectations of state help forever accelerate. Everyone adopts a 'what about me' state of mind.


The culture becomes infantilised, identitarian victim-hood becomes a growth demographic, people give up on wealth creation.


Socialists sit in rooms dreaming up new regulations, one atop the next, it never stops, it's what gets them out of bed. They forget that real people with real business's must bare the brunt of it all, one little cut at a time.


Most Scots politicians want to talk about benefits and handouts, regulations, diversity initiatives, tick boxing and virtue posturing (stopping selling arms to any number of states thus killing jobs and taxes).
You rarely hear them getting heated about spreading enterprise.


Scots society seems to value pious compassion signalling above all else, the tool to ensnare societal status and thus succeed in life


Scottish people are far smarter than their loony left political class. They will notice how the US and UK prosper greatly in the coming years thanks to good common sense pragmatism.

Nah. The Tories will recover a few seats probably at the Borders and NE in traditional LibDem/SNP/Tory marginals. But has been a straight swap from Labour to SNP elsewhere, where Labour had previously totally dominated for decades. As long as the SNP hang onto those, they'll still be sending 45+ MP's down to Westminster.

If Scottish MP's are still there for the next GE of course.

Shakethedisease

Moto2 wrote: »

Right, so the people of Scotland don't want less austerity and better funded services paid for by taxation and if it's imposed, they'll move?

It's the middle ground. Still raises more tax than Westminster yet hasn't gone down the obvious trap of raising income tax. If the SNP do raise it, when Westminster cuts, the other Scottish parties will simply carp on for ages about what the SNP is going to do about it in never ending circles. Even the Tories, who's party does the cutting. Income tax isn't something you can keep raising forever in order to stall Westminster cuts coming down the line. Not feasible and is all just fiddling round the edges anyway.

So the deeper the Tories cut, the more Scottish Labour will attack the SNP for not finding the money to fix it. Nice little unionist one-two there.

I've better things to do then debate with folk who think Scots should pay far more tax due to WM cuts. But say Scotland should never be indy

Currently the Tories are ranting about Scotland being the highest taxed in the UK ( someone has even started a thread here ) and Scottish Labour, Lib Dems and Greens are ranting about not raising tax enough. Means the SNP probably got it about right for this budget.

As for what the Scottish people want. I invite you to have a look at Scottish Labour results in May 16 where they ran on increasing income tax. Income tax is not a popular tax to raise... The SNP is well aware of it. As would ALL of the other parties be also of they ever took office if they're honest about it. The problem there is that none of them look even close to taking office anytime soon.

Thrugelmir

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Means the SNP probably got it about right for this budget.

Be the electorate that decide this. Words are easy when in opposition.

Shakethedisease

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Be the electorate that decide this. Words are easy when in opposition.

The certainly are. That's why Scottish Labour did so badly in May. Again the yellow highlighted area in the posts above is from the SNP 2016 manifesto. The electorate decided they didn't want to pay higher income tax. As, it has to be said, most electorates generally do.

Most political parties are aware of this particular aversion of the electorate. And it's probably why only income tax rates were devolved.. so the SNP could be damned at the ballot box if they did, or damned in the headlines if they don't.

Staying firmly in middle political ground is always good when this is the case.

Hintza

Well I saw a sight yesterday I didn't expect to see a new Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party office in Ardrossan!

TrickyTree83

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Nah. The Tories will recover a few seats probably at the Borders and NE in traditional LibDem/SNP/Tory marginals. But has been a straight swap from Labour to SNP elsewhere, where Labour had previously totally dominated for decades. As long as the SNP hang onto those, they'll still be sending 45+ MP's down to Westminster.

If Scottish MP's are still there for the next GE of course.

Remember that time I said the SNP were on the downward trajectory?

Cheerio!