The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

islandannie

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Golly, it's taken Hague his sweet time to dig anything up on the Scottish Budget. I saw him tweeting the link to this a few hours ago with a follower ruefully pointing out that he's had to spend ages digging round.

Good. Is about time the SNP started being a little less deferential to a media that cannot hide their own distain for the party or anyone connected with it.

This is about as close to being one of the most dangerous quotes i`ve heard from a so called democratic government supporter.

I have lived and worked in many countries all over the World in my time and have been absolutely shocked by the way some corrupt regimes censor the press

This is Scotland for goodness sake if you don`t like what a certain media outlet reports then simply read another source.

To attempt to hobble the press output because you disagree with is a truly dangerous precedent.

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Everything bad = not the fault of the SNP
Everything good = completely down to the SNP

Does that about sum it up?

No. It's about media balance. If you can point me to one positive story about the SNP in the last five years that isn't in the National or the Sunday Herald go ahead. You won't find one. It's either a negative story, or an even more negative story. Even when it comes to rising teacher numbers, record low crime rates, and the best rated NHS in the UK for patient satisfaction it's always somehow turned into a negative story.

The BBC follow the same trend. We're all resigned to it now though. It won't change. Thankfully there are now other outlets for balance and making one's own mind up. And given their reader numbers, obviously slowly but surely filled the vacuum that the BBC and other media in Scotland left behind them around 2007.

Shakethedisease

Moto2 wrote: »

Politicians should not interfere with press freedom, comment on the output is one thing, attempting to bully editors to change headlines is not.

The Stephen Daisley incident and the SNPs push (against public opinion) to have a Scottish six o'clock news shows the way things are going.

You should avail yourself with some books about Brexit and the campaigns leading up. Cameron and his team were on the phone every day to the BBC correcting stories.

If you've got a problem with the SNP, then you've got a problem with all political parties contacting the press. Daisley made the mistake of tweeting personal opinions on an account representing STV, as well as recommending Brian Spanner as an account 'everyone should follow'... even though Spanner was well known for calling female politicians 'torn face c***s' and other similar tweets.

STV was well shot of him tweeting and passing personal opinion from something which was outwardly, their corporate political account representing them. Foolish late night tweets have consequences. Even for unionist hacks like Daisley who cross lines. He was becoming a liability, especially with his personal recommendations, from an STV account that everyone should follow an account like Spanners.

The SNP aren't bothered about a Scottish Six. Like I said everyone has given up on the BBC for Scottish news.

Moto2

Shakethedisease wrote: »

You should avail yourself with some books about Brexit and the campaigns leading up. Cameron and his team were on the phone every day to the BBC correcting stories.

If you've got a problem with the SNP, then you've got a problem with all political parties contacting the press. Daisley made the mistake of tweeting personal opinions on an account representing STV, as well as recommending Brian Spanner as an account 'everyone should follow'... even though Spanner was well known for calling female politicians 'torn face c***s' and other similar tweets.

STV was well shot of him tweeting and passing personal opinion from something which was outwardly, their corporate political account representing them. Foolish late night tweets have consequences. Even for unionist hacks like Daisley who cross lines. He was becoming a liability, especially with his personal recommendations, from an STV account that everyone should follow an account like Spanners.

The SNP aren't bothered about a Scottish Six. Like I said everyone has given up on the BBC for Scottish news.

I do have a problem with any politicians interfering with press freedom.
There are proper ways to complain and raise concerns about STVs journalists i.e. Ofcom

You should avail yourself with some books about Brexit and the campaigns leading up. Cameron and his team were on the phone every day to the BBC correcting stories.

More whataboutery

Moto2

Shakethedisease wrote: »

No. It's about media balance. If you can point me to one positive story about the SNP in the last five years that isn't in the National or the Sunday Herald go ahead. You won't find one. It's either a negative story, or an even more negative story. Even when it comes to rising teacher numbers, record low crime rates, and the best rated NHS in the UK for patient satisfaction it's always somehow turned into a negative story.

The newspapers aren't there to praise political parties, they should be digging at them and trying to weed out their self-serving corrupt ways. and to report on it as they see fit within the law.

But since you ask...

Here's one of many in the Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/dec/27/snps-year-of-transformation-i-think-we-acquitted-ourselves-well

Shakethedisease

Moto2 wrote: »

I do have a problem with any politicians interfering with press freedom.
There are proper ways to complain and raise concerns about STVs journalists i.e. Ofcom

There were official complaints to STV from the public though.

More whataboutery

Nope a level playing field for all political parties. Not one rule for one, and another one for another. People were complaining directly to STV about Daisley, it was only when two SNP MP's questioned if this was an official STV standpoint on Twitter..that people like yourself got all suddenly self-righteous about 'free speech' and interfering.

Daisley crossed the line between personal and professional and paid the price. It wasn't his personal account. End of story.

Shakethedisease

Moto2 wrote: »

The newspapers aren't there to praise political parties, they should be digging at them and trying to weed out their self-serving corrupt ways. and to report on it as they see fit within the law.

They distort and follow agenda's. Only too obviously in some cases.

But since you ask...

Here's one of many in the Guardian
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/dec/27/snps-year-of-transformation-i-think-we-acquitted-ourselves-well

That's the SNP talking about themselves. Not a positive story about the SNP or any of their particular policies.

vivatifosi

Just watching Sturgeons plan to keep Scotland in single market with Norway type deal... Calling it a low bar and compromise around which the country can work.

antrobus

Shakethedisease wrote: »

They distort and follow agenda's. Only too obviously in some cases. ...

Pot calling kettle black.

Moto2

Shakethedisease wrote: »

That's the SNP talking about themselves. Not a positive story about the SNP or any of their particular policies.

The SNP wrote it?

You said...

It's either a negative story, or an even more negative story.

The article I linked to is neither, is that the goalposts I see moving into the distance?