The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Shaka_Zulu

Nicola Sturgeon Brexit adviser pours cold water on her single market plans hours before they are unveiled

One of Nicola Sturgeon’s handpicked Brexit advisers has poured cold water on her proposals to keep Scotland in the EU single market even if the UK leaves, only hours before she unveils them on Tuesday morning.

Charles Grant, who sits on the First Minister’s Standing Council on Europe, said it was “extremely difficult” to see how her plans were legally, politically or technically feasible.

He is the third member of the group to go public with his doubts about her single market plan after Lord Kerr of Kinlochard, the Scottish cross-bench peer who wrote the EU’s Article 50 process for a member state to leave, told the BBC he did not think it was possible.

Dr Fabian Zuleeg of the European Policy Centre, another member, has described the proposal as “highly unlikely.”

elantan

http://news.gov.scot/speeches-and-briefings/scotlands-place-in-europe-1


Well Nicola certainly ain't messing around ... let's see if we are a union of equals

CLAPTON

elantan wrote: »

http://news.gov.scot/speeches-and-briefings/scotlands-place-in-europe-1


Well Nicola certainly ain't messing around ... let's see if we are a union of equals

scotland is part of an union of equals : you are equal to Yorkshire although more heavily subsidised

Thrugelmir

elantan wrote: »

Well Nicola certainly ain't messing around ... let's see if we are a union of equals

Who is going to listen to someone that does nothing but mess around.

ruggedtoast

elantan wrote: »

http://news.gov.scot/speeches-and-briefings/scotlands-place-in-europe-1


Well Nicola certainly ain't messing around ... let's see if we are a union of equals

Sturgeon has drawn her sword and marked out her battle lines.

Meanwhile May sits in imperiously repeating "Brexit means Brexit. Brexit means Brexit." Over and over like a posh parrot that likes £1000 trousers.

Little Englanders are overseeing the destruction of the United Kingdom. Which is ironic considering they are led by the "Conservative" Party.

Vive la revolution!
Arreter les tins des biscuits!
Non a la tea towels de le royale baby!

Scotland is leading the way!

elantan

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Who is going to listen to someone that does nothing but mess around.

Plenty have so far

Shakethedisease

Moto2 wrote: »

The SNP wrote it?

You said...

The article I linked to is neither, is that the goalposts I see moving into the distance?

Nearly 100% of comments in that article, including from Pringle are from the SNP.

And I can't believe you thought this

recommending Brian Spanner as an account 'everyone should follow'... even though Spanner was well known for calling female politicians 'torn face c***s' and other similar tweets.

:- is ok for a political editor to do while acting in a professional STV capacity.

Is that the gentle sound of brush strokes glossing over your previous posts I hear ?

.string.

Looking at Sturgeons paper Scotland's place in Europe ::;;;;;

So, again at Government expense, the SNP has produced another document aimed solely at furthering their obsession.

In this SNP policy document, Sturgeon makes several remarks which expose that separation obsession. There are so many, but one has to start somewhere, so I'll mention a couple before boredom sets in.

She claims that ... "the concerns of those who voted to leave must be listened to and addressed ..."

It is stated that

"I said I would explore – not just my preferred option of independence – but all options to protect Scotland’s place in, and relationship with, Europe.

And I said the Scottish Government would – in good faith and a spirit of compromise – seek to identify a solution that might enable Scotland’s voice to be heard, and mitigate the risks that Brexit poses to our interests within the UK."

Note the reference to " ... all options to protect Scotland’s place in, and relationship with, Europe.". In other words no committment to do s ythi g at all which does not promote Scotland IN Europe.

The body of the policy paper does not address other options than staying in the EU in all but name, no commitment (that I have yet found) to work with the UK Government to explore other options outside that narrow perspective.


"Compromise"? What BS!

"Good Faith" parted company with the SNP a long, long time ago.

It is also interesting to see that in the foreword, Sturgeon states:

"The Scottish Government was elected in May on a manifesto which said in relation to independence: “The Scottish Parliament should have the right to hold another referendum [...] if there is a significant and material change in the circumstances that prevailed in 2014, such as Scotland being taken out the EU against our will.”"

The [...] bit is missing text, which was
"the Scottish Parliament should have the right to hold another referendum if there is "clear and sustained evidence" that independence has become the preferred option of a majority of the Scottish people -!OR!"

The above is stated in full later but not before while Sturgeon was touting the Neverendum line.

As I've remarked earlier, The SNP don't really care about Scots, just about their own obsession.

Shakethedisease

elantan wrote: »

http://news.gov.scot/speeches-and-briefings/scotlands-place-in-europe-1


Well Nicola certainly ain't messing around ... let's see if we are a union of equals

No she's definitely not messing about. :cool:

I particularly liked her negating all this hard border but most of Scotland's trade yada yada stuff. That's going to take some wind out of sails for a while.

The fact that both Scotland and the rest of the UK would be outside the EU Customs Union (or both within it if the UK Government chooses that option), would mean that the border between Scotland and England would NOT be an external EU customs border, retaining unimpeded customs-free trade within the UK. What is in effect a customs union at present between Scotland and the rest of the UK would continue to mutual benefit.

Dugdale and Rennies responses have been laughable.



re Dugdale

FM does nothing then you'd be livid
FM goes for indyref2 you'd be livid
FM seeks compromise and you're livid

Sturgeon's outplayed them. They weren't expecting her to actually present other options that mean staying in the UK. They've both been caught short. :rotfl:

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

No she's definitely not messing about. :cool:

I particularly liked her negating all this hard border but most of Scotland's trade yada yada stuff. That's going to take some wind out of sails for a while.



Dugdale and Rennies responses have been laughable.



re Dugdale

Sturgeon's outplayed them. They weren't expecting her to actually present other options that mean staying in the UK. They've both been caught short. :rotfl:

it would seem the SNP's solution to a possible hard border is the Irish solution
but there isn't an Irish solution

just like the SNP hasn't got a solution of what currency to use for an Iscotland