The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Thrugelmir

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Sturgeon's outplayed them. They weren't expecting her to actually present other options that mean staying in the UK. They've both been caught short. :rotfl:

But the SNP aren't going to rest until there's an Indy Scotland. Any one can sit at the table and roll loaded dice. Perhaps the idea is too bore everyone else into submission. Someone should fire off a a FOI request and ask how much is being spent on the SNP's agenda. The Supreme Court hearing on Brexit couldn't have been cheap in terms of legal representation.

Shakethedisease

.string. wrote: »

Looking at Sturgeons paper Scotland's place in Europe ::;;;;;

So, again at Government expense, the SNP has produced another document aimed solely at furthering their obsession.

In this SNP policy document, Sturgeon makes several remarks which expose that separation obsession. There are so many, but one has to start somewhere, so I'll mention a couple before boredom sets in.

She claims that ... "the concerns of those who voted to leave must be listened to and addressed ..."

It is stated that

"I said I would explore – not just my preferred option of independence – but all options to protect Scotland’s place in, and relationship with, Europe.

And I said the Scottish Government would – in good faith and a spirit of compromise – seek to identify a solution that might enable Scotland’s voice to be heard, and mitigate the risks that Brexit poses to our interests within the UK."

Note the reference to " ... all options to protect Scotland’s place in, and relationship with, Europe.". In other words no committment to do s ythi g at all which does not promote Scotland IN Europe.

The body of the policy paper does not address other options than staying in the EU in all but name, no commitment (that I have yet found) to work with the UK Government to explore other options outside that narrow perspective.


"Compromise"? What BS!

"Good Faith" parted company with the SNP a long, long time ago.

It is also interesting to see that in the foreword, Sturgeon states:

"The Scottish Government was elected in May on a manifesto which said in relation to independence: “The Scottish Parliament should have the right to hold another referendum [...] if there is a significant and material change in the circumstances that prevailed in 2014, such as Scotland being taken out the EU against our will.”"

The [...] bit is missing text, which was
"the Scottish Parliament should have the right to hold another referendum if there is "clear and sustained evidence" that independence has become the preferred option of a majority of the Scottish people -!OR!"

The above is stated in full later but not before while Sturgeon was touting the Neverendum line.

As I've remarked earlier, The SNP don't really care about Scots, just about their own obsession.

SNP wanting independence shocker !

You were advised from the 24th June, either it was a UK soft Brexit, a special deal for Scotland staying in the Single Market, or a second independence referendum. AND that it would be laid at Westminster's door to either dismiss or implement.

Failing to see why you're at all surprised to be honest. Most Scots want to stay in the EU and the UK according to the last two referendums. Sturgeon is addressing what most Scots appear to want here plain and simple. What could you possibly have to complain about regarding that ?

Shakethedisease

Thrugelmir wrote: »

But the SNP aren't going to rest until there's an Indy Scotland. Any one can sit at the table and roll loaded dice. Perhaps the idea is too bore everyone else into submission. Someone should fire off a a FOI request and ask how much is being spent on the SNP's agenda. The Supreme Court hearing on Brexit couldn't have been cheap in terms of legal representation.

The SNP's agenda ? I think you might have overlooked that NI and Wales also made submissions to the Supreme Court spending money on 'agenda's'.

May's had two court cases to pay for, a least the devolved parliaments only got involved in one of them.

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

SNP wanting independence shocker !

You were advised from the 24th June, either it was a UK soft Brexit, a special deal for Scotland staying in the Single Market, or a second independence referendum. AND that it would be laid at Westminster's door to either dismiss or implement.

Failing to see why you're at all surprised to be honest. Most Scots want to stay in the EU and the UK according to the last two referendums. Sturgeon is addressing what most Scots appear to want here plain and simple. What could you possibly have to complain about regarding that ?

whats the solution for a hard border ?

Shakethedisease

CLAPTON wrote: »

whats the solution for a hard border ?

In today's paper ? I already posted it for you. Scotland will go along with whatever the UK decides re a customs union. Both in or both out.

The fact that both Scotland and the rest of the UK would be outside the EU Customs Union (or both within it if the UK Government chooses that option), would mean that the border between Scotland and England would NOT be an external EU customs border, retaining unimpeded customs-free trade within the UK. What is in effect a customs union at present between Scotland and the rest of the UK would continue to mutual benefit.

Today's paper wasn't about independence.

Moto2

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Nearly 100% of comments in that article, including from Pringle are from the SNP.

And I can't believe you thought this :- is ok for a political editor to do while acting in a professional STV capacity.

Is that the gentle sound of brush strokes glossing over your previous posts I hear ?

Oh, I didn't say he hadn't overstepped the mark, I was commenting on how he was treated and how they went about it.

How do you feel generally about politicians attempting to block legitimate FOI requests by any means they can?

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

In today's paper ? I already posted it for you. Scotland will go along with whatever the UK decides re a customs union. Both in or both out.



Today's paper wasn't about independence.

that would indeed work if both stay within the single market
but if the UK leaves the single market then so must scotland

Shakethedisease

Moto2 wrote: »

Oh, I didn't say he hadn't overstepped the mark, I was commenting on how he was treated and how they went about it.

They asked on Twitter if this was an STV official position. And only did so after their comments on their own twitter timelines were picked up and universally mocked by other raging journo's that they'd dare say anything at all on their own twitter timelines.

How do you feel generally about politicians attempting to block legitimate FOI requests by any means they can?

Is about all BBC Scotland and Scottish Labour party are good for these days. FOI requests. Is about all they ever do.

Shakethedisease

CLAPTON wrote: »

that would indeed work if both stay within the single market
but if the UK leaves the single market then so must scotland

No, that's not what's being proposed. It's Scotland in the Single Market and additionally in or out of customs union depending on rUK.

Outside the Customs Union - EFTA EEA countries are not members of the EU Customs Union. Our proposal would mean that (unless the UK Government opts to keep the UK as a whole inside the EU Customs Union as the Scottish Government believes it should), Scotland, like the rest of the UK, would not be in the EU Customs Union.

This would clearly have downsides for our businesses that trade within the EU. However, remaining within the single market would give Scottish businesses a comparative advantage over those in other parts of the UK that would be outside both the customs union and the single market.

The fact that both Scotland and the rest of the UK would be outside the EU Customs Union (or both within it if the UK Government chooses that option), would mean that the border between Scotland and England would NOT be an external EU customs border, retaining unimpeded customs-free trade within the UK. What is in effect a customs union at present between Scotland and the rest of the UK would continue to mutual benefit.

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

No, that's not what's being proposed. It's Scotland in the Single Market and additionally in or out of customs union depending on rUK.

are you talking about membership of the single market or access to the single market