The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

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CLAPTON wrote: »

to education it's own citizens in the complexities of registering to vote.

Is that a Scottish verb, "to education" someone ?

CLAPTON

Clifford_Pope wrote: »

Is that a Scottish verb, "to education" someone ?

no, it is a dyslexic mongrel's typo : but I do my best to correct where possible but often I can't see the words properly.

ruggedtoast

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Corbyn's party need to get behind him first. He can promise the world... but half his MP's won't vote with him on anything and don't we all know it.

Most SNP's and Greens I know like him, as do I. But he needs to take his party with him otherwise there's no point. I'm afraid that's with eyes fully open.

Scotland could play a vital role in establishing a meaningful and democratic bulwark against neoliberalism in the United Kingdom.

The enemy isn;t English vs Scottish vs Welsh vs European people.

The enemy is a cynical elite of the 1% and their hangers on and dewy eyed cheerleaders.

No one wants to see Scotland slowly disappear down its own plug hole on an endless debate about independence from an independence party that isn't offering any such thing.

Just remember. Voting SNP in 2020 is the biggest gift you can give to the Tories and their backers, because it will endure nothing whatsoever changes.

elantan

Atleast Rugged recognises the enemy isn't English v's Scottish v's Welsh v's European

zagubov

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Scotland could play a vital role in establishing a meaningful and democratic bulwark against neoliberalism in the United Kingdom.

The enemy isn;t English vs Scottish vs Welsh vs European people.

The enemy is a cynical elite of the 1% and their hangers on and dewy eyed cheerleaders.

No one wants to see Scotland slowly disappear down its own plug hole on an endless debate about independence from an independence party that isn't offering any such thing.

Just remember. Voting SNP in 2020 is the biggest gift you can give to the Tories and their backers, because it will endure nothing whatsoever changes.

Well done for seeing it as a class conflict rather than an international one. To give you credit, you saw that really early in the debate.

Only problem is that the class-based party that used to pretend it protected Scotland and much of England has been found to be, well, a little-bit Scotland-hating during the 2014 referendum. They can climb out of that about as easily as they could climb up Niagara Falls.

No fault falls on you. You weren't just misinformed by the usual claptrap from the big three Mail/telegraph/Standard but the (let's just be kind and pretend they were lazy) BBC and grauniad joined in with the stomping the jackboot on the UK's other kingdom. :eek: What chance did you have?

The SNP were never going to win the referendum until the MSM and unionist parties self-destructed in front of them, at which point they grew from 30% to about 45% of the vote. And scared the unionist parties into their bizarre promises. Who then horrified the Scots into hating to vote for them.

Can't wait to see what any unionist party thinks they have that'll win them back. Oh, wait a minute, I've guessed it- it'll be fear!:rotfl:

Generali

zagubov wrote: »

Well done for seeing it as a class conflict rather than an international one. To give you credit, you saw that really early in the debate.

Only problem is that the class-based party that used to pretend it protected Scotland and much of England has been found to be, well, a little-bit Scotland-hating during the 2014 referendum. They can climb out of that about as easily as they could climb up Niagara Falls.

No fault falls on you. You weren't just misinformed by the usual claptrap from the big three Mail/telegraph/Standard but the (let's just be kind and pretend they were lazy) BBC and grauniad joined in with the stomping the jackboot on the UK's other kingdom. :eek: What chance did you have?

The SNP were never going to win the referendum until the MSM and unionist parties self-destructed in front of them, at which point they grew from 30% to about 45% of the vote. And scared the unionist parties into their bizarre promises. Who then horrified the Scots into hating to vote for them.

Can't wait to see what any unionist party thinks they have that'll win them back. Oh, wait a minute, I've guessed it- it'll be fear!:rotfl:

Ah yes, of course. It's the plucky Scottish Proletariat versus the wicked Plutocratic Unionists. :rotfl:

Shakethedisease

Or resignation to the fact that Scottish politics has changed forever.

Anas Sawar in the Guardian.

Alex Rowley yesterday.

Labour's deputy leader says party must back 'home rule' for Scotland after election disaster

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14479042.Labour_s_deputy_leader_says%3Cimg%20src=/

Henry McLeish loud and proud calling for another referendum on Scotland's future today.

Ex-Labour First Minister: Dugdale must back real home rule and offer new referendum on Scotland's future

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14481292.Ex_Labour_First_Minister__Dugdale_must_back_real_home_rule_and_offer_new_referendum_on_Scotland_s_future/

And some of the comments on the Scottish Labour website blog. Two articles in 2 days calling for 'radical home rule' and the comments from Labour members.

I’m sick of it.
It’s head in the sand stuff all over the place.

Perhaps it is time to be open to independence as a means of protecting working people and promoting equality here in Scotland. Many people have stuck by Labour out of loyalty, yet all we have to show for it is the prospect of continued Tory governments in Westminster for years to come. Do we ALWAYS have to sacrifice Scotland before the interests of the UK labour party ?

I just see no end in sight unless we change our stance.
Corbyn is an absolute disaster and no-one seriously thinks he will be elected once the media does a hatchet job on him, and then Labour will be back to being New Labour in England.
People are deserting us because the SNP is seen as ‘putting Scotland first’.
It becomes harder and harder to argue with that when we see Tory or ‘New Labour’ governments in England for years to come. And we are just expected to go along with that, so some future Labour MPs from here have a chance of being in a future UK Labour cabinet ??

http://labourhame.com/


Politics will always supercede the economics sooner or later. The Scottish Labour party seem to be in the process of forgetting any fiscal black holes ( as I predicted, yes I feel a bit vindicated ). Because for the forseeable future thanks to Thursday's results, it's now all down to Scottish independence v's the Tory party. Scottish Labour are never going to go for the Tory option. Labour No votes in 2014 were for Labour in power in 2015 not the Conservative party. Is a big ask for Scottish Labour to hold to the 'union no matter what' line for possibly the next 5 to 10 years just to keep the Tories in power.

Shakethedisease

Interesting phone poll tonight from the Record/Survation too.

76%.. surely that's a bit high.

MORE than three-quarters of Scots will vote to stay in the EU in a landslide that could swing the UK result, says a Record poll. Our phone survey found that a massive 76 per cent of Scottish voters will back Remain in the June 23 referendum.
Nicola Sturgeon has repeatedly warned that a UK vote taking Scotland out of Europe against its wishes could trigger another independence referendum.


But recent UK-wide polling shows that the strength of pro-EU sentiment in Scotland could actually keep Britain in – against the wishes of the English.
Read more at http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/eu-referendum-record-poll-shows-7934908#JRIxsHfjOwIvyXr6.99

Generali

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Or resignation to the fact that Scottish politics has changed forever.

Anas Sawar in the Guardian.

Alex Rowley yesterday.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14479042.Labour_s_deputy_leader_says%3Cimg%20src=/

Henry McLeish loud and proud calling for another referendum on Scotland's future today.
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14481292.Ex_Labour_First_Minister__Dugdale_must_back_real_home_rule_and_offer_new_referendum_on_Scotland_s_future/

And some of the comments on the Scottish Labour website blog. Two articles in 2 days calling for 'radical home rule' and the comments from Labour members.

http://labourhame.com/


Politics will always supercede the economics sooner or later. The Scottish Labour party seem to be in the process of forgetting any fiscal black holes ( as I predicted, yes I feel a bit vindicated ). Because for the forseeable future thanks to Thursday's results, it's now all down to Scottish independence v's the Tory party. Scottish Labour are never going to go for the Tory option. Labour No votes in 2014 were for Labour in power in 2015 not the Conservative party. Is a big ask for Scottish Labour to hold to the 'union no matter what' line for possibly the next 5 to 10 years just to keep the Tories in power.

So Labour, the SNP, the Greens plus assorted basket cases are all going to chase the votes of the 45% while leaving the 55% to the Tories.

As a Tory that suits me just fine. I can think of little better in fact except for the SNP voting in that nice Mr Corbyn as leader perhaps once he's done trashing the Labour Party.

HornetSaver

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Brexit is the only possible thing that can reactivate a referendum within the next 4 years. And boy has Dave jumped the shark for the remain side if today's headlines are anything to go by. :eek:

Ironically, if Cameron has been right all along and Brexit does trigger World War III, you might get independence without needing a referendum...

... though I suspect you'll promptly join whatever new federal system emerges after the nuclear winter.