The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Generali

Shakethedisease wrote: »

They weren't voting for Conservative policies no. Not in the slightest. They were voting against another Scottish referendum. You needed an electron microscope to see any mention of the Conservative party on Ruth Davidson's campaign literature or in any of her speeches.

Haha. You just make up this stuff as you go along don't you:

https://flic.kr/p/vJDRvh

It's pretty clear which party Ms Davidson is standing for, mostly as it says directly under her name in big blue letters "Leader of the Scottish Conservative & Unionist Party".

What about some leaflet's that 'Reverend' Stu links to?

Big white letters linking to the Scottish Conservatives website.

http://wingsoverscotland.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/2ndref.jpg

This one mentions the Conservatives three (count 'em, yes three) times:

http://wingsoverscotland.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/ruthblock9.jpg

Here are some more leaflets, this time from an outfit that collects political leaflets so that partisans can't make dodgy claims about political leaflets that simply aren't true:

https://electionleaflets.org/leaflets/2936/

Here's her Twitter Feed:

https://twitter.com/search?q=Ruth%20Davidson&src=tyah

Including a very cheery picture of lots of smiling people holding up pieces of paper that say, "Scottish Conservative & Unionist Party" on them.

Facebook:

https://www.facebook.com/RuthDavidsonOfficial/info/?tab=page_info

"Current Office: Leader of the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party
Short description: This is the official Facebook page for Ruth Davidson, leader of the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party.
Political Views: Conservative"

For someone that is hiding that she's the leader of the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party she's not very good at hiding that she's the leader of the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party.

Or maybe, yet again, you find some facts that you don't like so make up some different ones that you prefer.

Generali

cells wrote: »

even if Scotland votes to leave there will likely be a left and right party and neither will hold Scotland forever. Much like in England it will switch around every 1-4 cycles

If you compare the British Social Attitudes survey results in Scotland with the results from the UK as a whole, the Scots and British hold almost identical views on pretty much everything.

As the SNP seems to be in the process of finding out, governing is quite an unpopular thing to do. It turns out that some of your politicians are just as venal and corrupt as those from other parties. Your MSPs are just as gaffe-prone as any other and you are forced into making decisions that annoy one or other group of voters as you chose a bus lane over an extra lane for all road users or balls up putting in a tram line.

Here is a newspaper article about it:

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/scotland-blog/2015/mar/26/three-things-the-latest-british-social-attitudes-survey-tells-us-about-scotland

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

Haha. You just make up this stuff as you go along don't you:

https://flic.kr/p/vJDRvh

It's pretty clear which party Ms Davidson is standing for, mostly as it says directly under her name in big blue letters "Leader of the Scottish Conservative & Unionist Party".

What about some leaflet's that 'Reverend' Stu links to?

Big white letters linking to the Scottish Conservatives website.

http://wingsoverscotland.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/2ndref.jpg

This one mentions the Conservatives three (count 'em, yes three) times:

http://wingsoverscotland.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/ruthblock9.jpg

Here are some more leaflets, this time from an outfit that collects political leaflets so that partisans can't make dodgy claims about political leaflets that simply aren't true:

https://electionleaflets.org/leaflets/2936/

Here's her Twitter Feed:

https://twitter.com/search?q=Ruth%20Davidson&src=tyah

Including a very cheery picture of lots of smiling people holding up pieces of paper that say, "Scottish Conservative & Unionist Party" on them.

Facebook:

https://www.facebook.com/RuthDavidsonOfficial/info/?tab=page_info

"Current Office: Leader of the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party
Short description: This is the official Facebook page for Ruth Davidson, leader of the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party.
Political Views: Conservative"

For someone that is hiding that she's the leader of the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party she's not very good at hiding that she's the leader of the Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party.

Or maybe, yet again, you find some facts that you don't like so make up some different ones that you prefer.

Unlike you, I actually got the leaflets etc through my door. You needed a magnifying glass to see what party Ruth Davidson was standing for. She didn't even see fit to mention it at her manifesto launch. It was very obvious to all that she was ( very sensibly it has to be said ) minimising as much as possible the Conservative party, or more likely, her associations with David Cameron and George Osborne.



Oh and take another look at that picture. Davidson isn't actually campaigning to win Generali. She's campaigning to come second and a distant second at that. She also campaigned on winning list votes rather than FPTP votes. The approach served her very well. But she's not going to be able to spend five years repeating the same three sentences as the ones she campaigned on. No referendum, a strong opposition, and holding the SNP to account.

We needed to run a list strategy that understood and exploited a system that meant every list vote counted the same, irrespective of whether it was in a seat where we received a hundred votes or ten thousand.

We reached out across our core vote and asked people to support us who otherwise wouldn’t give us the time of day. They are now looking for us to make good on our promises. To hold the SNP to account, to say ‘no’ to a second independence referendum (helped by denying the SNP a majority) and to make them concentrate on the devolved areas of government affecting Scots families.

http://www.conservativehome.com/thecolumnists/2016/05/ruth-davidson-how-we-did-it-and-what-we-are-going-to-do-next.html

She'll have to move on. Ruth Davidson knows what's her party is 'against' and what she intends to stop the SNP doing. There's very little as yet as to what they're for. Sturgeon is all for extending First Ministers questions to 45 mins. One can see why. Davidson fell to bits when pressured in the Leaders debates when confronted with tuition fees etc. Too used to never having to answer difficult questions.

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

If you compare the British Social Attitudes survey results in Scotland with the results from the UK as a whole, the Scots and British hold almost identical views on pretty much everything.

As the SNP seems to be in the process of finding out, governing is quite an unpopular thing to do. It turns out that some of your politicians are just as venal and corrupt as those from other parties. Your MSPs are just as gaffe-prone as any other and you are forced into making decisions that annoy one or other group of voters as you chose a bus lane over an extra lane for all road users or balls up putting in a tram line.

Here is a newspaper article about it:

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/scotland-blog/2015/mar/26/three-things-the-latest-british-social-attitudes-survey-tells-us-about-scotland

Yet Scotland has voted left of rUK for the last 4 or 5 decades. I don't disagree with any of what you are trying to say. But so far it's always translated into Scottish votes going to Labour or the SNP. So you can make of that what you will.

Attitudes may be similar. But the voting patterns certainly aren't.

Leanne1812

Bravo Shakes. Your last two posts are spot on. :T

It's pretty easy to claim to know what's going on here in Scotland but we live here. We know the psyche of politics in Scotland.

I do like Ruth Davidson & Kezia too.(really felt quite sorry for her on QT last night) but we shall soon see how competent Ruth is as leader of the opposition. I'm not hopeful she won't get slaughtered at FMQ. She stood on a unionist platform in this election. No one else mentioned referendum quite as much as she did. Her ploy worked. What has she to offer besides anti-referendum I'm looking forward to hearing.

Thrugelmir

Leanne1812 wrote: »

What has she to offer besides anti-referendum I'm looking forward to hearing.

Wouldn't be necessary if the SNP wasn't constantly dangling the carrot to maintain voters interest.

Given the SNP are anti austerity. They've created a rod for their own backs as the electorate will expect growth.

Generali

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Unlike you, I actually got the leaflets etc through my door. You needed a magnifying glass to see what party Ruth Davidson was standing for. She didn't even see fit to mention it at her manifesto launch. It was very obvious to all that she was ( very sensibly it has to be said ) minimising as much as possible the Conservative party, or more likely, her associations with David Cameron and George Osborne.



Oh and take another look at that picture. Davidson isn't actually campaigning to win Generali. She's campaigning to come second and a distant second at that. She also campaigned on winning list votes rather than FPTP votes. The approach served her very well. But she's not going to be able to spend five years repeating the same three sentences as the ones she campaigned on. No referendum, a strong opposition, and holding the SNP to account.

http://www.conservativehome.com/thecolumnists/2016/05/ruth-davidson-how-we-did-it-and-what-we-are-going-to-do-next.html

She'll have to move on. Ruth Davidson knows what's her party is 'against' and what she intends to stop the SNP doing. There's very little as yet as to what they're for. Sturgeon is all for extending First Ministers questions to 45 mins. One can see why. Davidson fell to bits when pressured in the Leaders debates when confronted with tuition fees etc. Too used to never having to answer difficult questions.

It's amazing. All the leaflets that were put through your door that you are very sadly unable to link to support your argument yet lots of people have gone to the bother of putting a load of made up leaflets on several different websites just in case some sad sack in Australia wants to make a point.

islandannie

Leanne1812 wrote: »

Bravo Shakes. Your last two posts are spot on. :T

It's pretty easy to claim to know what's going on here in Scotland but we live here. We know the psyche of politics in Scotland.

I do like Ruth Davidson & Kezia too.(really felt quite sorry for her on QT last night) but we shall soon see how competent Ruth is as leader of the opposition. I'm not hopeful she won't get slaughtered at FMQ. She stood on a unionist platform in this election. No one else mentioned referendum quite as much as she did. Her ploy worked. What has she to offer besides anti-referendum I'm looking forward to hearing.

Such arrogance is part of the reason that Scots such as myself "who live here"
Rejected SNP policy.

Leanne1812

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Wouldn't be necessary if the SNP wasn't constantly dangling the carrot to maintain voters interest.

Given the SNP are anti austerity. They've created a rod for their own backs as the electorate will expect growth.

It's hardly a secret they seek independence is it? Especially since support has increased vastly from when they started campaigning for it. There will be no 2nd referendum until such time as its consistently polling they would win. No need to get your knickers in a twist just yet

The problem we have is that we know this but some unionists are fixated and obsessed about when this will come about and harp back to " once in a lifetime/generation" It is they who talk about another referendum the most.

While it's true there will be a campaign discussing independence starting in the summer I don't think it will be all guns blazing. I imagine for those who are interested it will be informing about the pros of Indy. We'll have to wait and see for sure but the SNP know exactly what failed them last time and will need to address those issues clearly & satisfactorily for any soft 'no's' to pay heed.

I'm pretty chilled about it. I read this thread and still take an interest in Scottish politics but independence is not at the forefront of my mind. If and when it becomes a reality will be when the popcorn comes out again :rotfl:

It's impossible to say what will happen re growth with all the uncertainty surrounding the EU ref. Patience is a virtue......

Leanne1812

islandannie wrote: »

Such arrogance is part of the reason that Scots such as myself "who live here"
Rejected SNP policy.

Not arrogance Annie, just my opinion and how I see things in my neck of the woods.

I think by now I've realised you sit in the staunch category that would never praise the SNP and always reject them because of their core policy.

Fair enough.

You don't need to hate those who don't share your views.