The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

islandannie

Leanne1812 wrote: »

It's hardly a secret they seek independence is it? Especially since support has increased vastly from when they started campaigning for it. There will be no 2nd referendum until such time as its consistently polling they would win. No need to get your knickers in a twist just yet

The problem we have is that we know this but some unionists are fixated and obsessed about when this will come about and harp back to " once in a lifetime/generation" It is they who talk about another referendum the most.

While it's true there will be a campaign discussing independence starting in the summer I don't think it will be all guns blazing. I imagine for those who are interested it will be informing about the pros of Indy. We'll have to wait and see for sure but the SNP know exactly what failed them last time and will need to address those issues clearly & satisfactorily for any soft 'no's' to pay heed.

I'm pretty chilled about it. I read this thread and still take an interest in Scottish politics but independence is not at the forefront of my mind. If and when it becomes a reality will be when the popcorn comes out again :rotfl:

It's impossible to say what will happen re growth with all the uncertainty surrounding the EU ref. Patience is a virtue......

OK genius,please explain to Scots such as myself how you are going to solve the problem of Scottish insolvency?

Leanne1812

Generali wrote: »

It's amazing. All the leaflets that were put through your door that you are very sadly unable to link to support your argument yet lots of people have gone to the bother of putting a load of made up leaflets on several different websites just in case some sad sack in Australia wants to make a point.

I think what you're missing here is that yes, voters knew she was a conservative but that was secondary to her pro Union, anti-referendum rhetoric. Those who don't want another referendum went with Ruth & her party as she was the strongest, most vocal candidate in that regard.

islandannie

Leanne1812 wrote: »

Not arrogance Annie, just my opinion and how I see things in my neck of the woods.

I think by now I've realised you sit in the staunch category that would never praise the SNP and always reject them because of their core policy.

Fair enough.

You don't need to hate those who don't share your views.

It`s not hate it`s pity my dear.

Leanne1812

islandannie wrote: »

OK genius,please explain to Scots such as myself how you are going to solve the problem of Scottish insolvency?

Could you try and stop with the bile?

It makes it quite difficult to want to try and converse with you. If you can't maybe it's best to put me on ignore. I don't do too well with people who seem to be so unreasonable.......

I'm not an economist so I'd imagine whatever I say you would denounce. Let's wait for Mr Hosie & his campaign to start. Maybe he can convince you. Or maybe not

Leanne1812

islandannie wrote: »

It`s not hate it`s pity my dear.

No, it's bile and bitter hatred my dear. I've read enough of your posts to get that. I do remember your thread for the reasonable 55ers. That went well didn't it........

zagubov

islandannie wrote: »

OK genius,please explain to Scots such as myself how you are going to solve the problem of Scottish insolvency?

Perhaps, patient reader, by seeking to remove Scotland from the union, whose governance of Scotland may have presumably had the responsibility for causing it, before it terminally wrecks the place.

Generali

Leanne1812 wrote: »

It's hardly a secret they seek independence is it? Especially since support has increased vastly from when they started campaigning for it. There will be no 2nd referendum until such time as its consistently polling they would win. No need to get your knickers in a twist just yet

The problem we have is that we know this but some unionists are fixated and obsessed about when this will come about and harp back to " once in a lifetime/generation" It is they who talk about another referendum the most.

While it's true there will be a campaign discussing independence starting in the summer I don't think it will be all guns blazing. I imagine for those who are interested it will be informing about the pros of Indy. We'll have to wait and see for sure but the SNP know exactly what failed them last time and will need to address those issues clearly & satisfactorily for any soft 'no's' to pay heed.

I'm pretty chilled about it. I read this thread and still take an interest in Scottish politics but independence is not at the forefront of my mind. If and when it becomes a reality will be when the popcorn comes out again :rotfl:

It's impossible to say what will happen re growth with all the uncertainty surrounding the EU ref. Patience is a virtue......

Actually it's because many Unionists believe that the SNP leadership are a devious bunch of !!!!s that want a neverendum. Unionists wouldn't have been given a second bite of the cherry had Yes won so why the heck should your lot.

It's time to accept the facts: you lost and you won't get another go for a generation if there is an ounce of decency left in Nationalist politics.

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

Actually it's because many Unionists believe that the SNP leadership are a devious bunch of !!!!s that want a neverendum. Unionists wouldn't have been given a second bite of the cherry had Yes won so why the heck should your lot.

It's time to accept the facts: you lost and you won't get another go for a generation if there is an ounce of decency left in Nationalist politics.

Ah well. That'll be up to Scotland and it's voters in the future. Not you mate. Unionists lost this last election and lost big time. Fighting over a distant second place. Whoopy doo.

If you want to take that as some sort of endorsement of the Union feel free. But just as some folks came out in support of no referendum in this election. I can 100% can predict that there will be a backlash next time in the opposite direction. Whichever party takes the slogan 'don't let the Tories back in' will increase support.
The next election is UK General Election FPTP. I'm chilled like Leanne on another referendum. I think it's 4 or 5 years away and another Westminster Tory victory will be the catalyst. But there will be one.

A bit of patience and and breathing space for the next few years will be good for everyone. But the Tories don't do that well in FPTP in Scotland. Labour voters by then will be in complete despair but they will go out and vote next time to keep the Tories out in Scotland after last weeks result. Should the Tories be returned in Westminster though..... all bets are off and the SNP will call another referendum, front and centre asking Scottish Labour and their voters to support them.

Johnson if he's the leader of the Conservative party then will shrug his shoulders. And if it's Osborne then it's a shoo in as he did the bulk of the damage last time with his currency announcement.

You ask folks like myself to face facts ? It's time you faced a few of your own. There is no way Scotland is going back for another 5 or 10 years under the Conservatives. And there is no way that previous Scottish Labour No voters, or even the Scottish Labour party will be seen to enable that either. It's already happening and there's only one way this whole thing is headed. It ain't Westminster and a Conservative Govt under Boris Johnson or George Osborne and that is probably that. Unless Labour do a mass revival.

Generali

The problem with your little fantasy is that the Scottish Government doesn't have the power or the money to call a referendum and it is highly unlikely that a Tory Government would call another one.

You had your chance and you blew it. Life doesn't often give second chances as you are about to find out.

Tromking

zagubov wrote: »

Perhaps, patient reader, by seeking to remove Scotland from the union, whose governance of Scotland may have presumably had the responsibility for causing it, before it terminally wrecks the place.

Should Scotland decide to leave the Union it would be a tad symmetrical. It would leave as it entered the Union, an economic basket case.