The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

zagubov

Tromking wrote: »

That's a question only the Scots can explain, uniquely in the Union every time they've been asked the question they've opted to stay.
I'm trying to work out why the SNP would remove itself from one Union where its influence is considerable to one where it's stated aim is to reduce the power of national governments as part of an ever closer Union.

More to do with the fact that Westminster controls more of Scotland's tax take than Brussels does, by a country mile.

Tromking wrote: »

A case of anyone but the English perhaps?

Anyone but the English what.........? Call me old-fashioned, but I like to put a verb in my sentences.;)

CLAPTON

zagubov wrote: »

More to do with the fact that Westminster controls more of Scotland's tax take than Brussels does, by a country mile.

Anyone but the English what.........? Call me old-fashioned, but I like to put a verb in my sentences.;)

I don't it.
It's probably because the scots feel so guilty about sponging off the people of Yorkshire all these years, they look forward to supporting all the poor countries of Europe.

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

I suspect that this is the real driving force behind most Nationalists. Almost every Nationalist group I can think of defines itself by who they are not almost as much as who they are.

You might want to be looking in before looking out.

Sunday 15 May 2016 Tristram Hunt

Pollsters regularly ask people whether they feel English only, English and British, or just British. Over the past decade we have seen a tectonic shift, with the English-only group expanding as the British-only group shrinks. More people now feel English-only than British, with more than 70% choosing English either as their preferred or shared identity...

A failure to appreciate the value of Englishness played an important role in our 2015 defeat and nothing Corbyn has done as leader has changed this. Indeed, his cosmopolitan views on immigration, benefits, the monarchy and armed forces are likely to have exacerbated the disconnect...

..So there are obvious reforms for Labour to pursue: an English Labour party; a referendum on an English parliament; radical devolution to cities and counties. Alongside that, we have to be careful during the EU referendum campaign not to alienate those millions of Labour voters opting for Brexit. But more than that, what these tales from the 2015 campaign expose is Labour’s need to shed its metropolitan squeamishness about England. It needs to express its admiration and love for the people and culture of this great country.

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/may/15/therell-always-be-an-england-tristram-hunt-labour-patriotism

Apart from that it seems some high rankers in English/UK Labour are of the opinion Scottish Labour is of no further use. And English Labour should move closer to UKIP ideology.

Your grasping at straws anyway. Politics is shifting, Scotland and England are in a political union almost half of Scots want out of, as well as an increasing number of English. This will be amply displayed at the next General election when the Conservatives will replay the 'No SNP/No Scots MP's here in London Westminster' card even harder than they did last time. With a lot of English Labour MP's such as Mr Hunt above nodding along in agreement.

Again, this is only going one way. Scots MP's out of Westminster altogether. They're of no further use to the Labour party, and the threat of Scottish MP's that aren't Labour or Tory only serves to bump up votes for the Tory party come election time. Just about all current Scottish MP's at the moment would only be too happy to agree and leave.

The economic fall out will be just have to be dealt with when it inevitably happens.

elantan

Go away for a few days and I see were still going round and round

Leanne1812

elantan wrote: »

Go away for a few days and I see were still going round and round

Yep, nothing we haven't heard repeatedly for a looong time now.

We hate the English & we're too wee, too poor & too stupid :rotfl:

zagubov

elantan wrote: »

Go away for a few days and I see were still going round and round

There's a hammer horror movie where a bunch of people are forced to relive their last days again and again. Forever.

On the positive side it's entertaining to watch project fear part 2 starring Mr Carney and a variety of EU jobsworths prattling irrelevant nonsense no-one claims to have asked them to.

Generali

Leanne1812 wrote: »

Yep, nothing we haven't heard repeatedly for a looong time now.

We hate the English & we're too wee, too poor & too stupid :rotfl:

Scotland's too poor to maintain current levels of spending. Independence would mean a big cut in living standards.

elantan

Leanne1812 wrote: »

Yep, nothing we haven't heard repeatedly for a looong time now.

We hate the English & we're too wee, too poor & too stupid :rotfl:

Lol ... I know .. ach it's makes ya chuckle, spoke to a total random stranger for a few hours yesterday, he was out doing panning for gold, really nice guy, we had a few coffees and he came and joined us in the caravan, guy was 72 and a life long supporter of Labour, about as labour as you could find, he misses the old labour and would love to see them return, he votes SNP now .. it was quite a conversation

zagubov wrote: »

There's a hammer horror movie where a bunch of people are forced to relive their last days again and again. Forever.

On the positive side it's entertaining to watch project fear part 2 starring Mr Carney and a variety of EU jobsworths prattling irrelevant nonsense no-one claims to have asked them to.

But this time there are huge cries of how dare they, who do they think they are ... ahm buckled wi laughter wi it all

HornetSaver

elantan wrote: »

But this time there are huge cries of how dare they, who do they think they are ... ahm buckled wi laughter wi it all

Yet I assume you'll still be voting the way David Cameron wants you to vote on the 23rd of June...

elantan

HornetSaver wrote: »

Yet I assume you'll still be voting the way David Cameron wants you to vote on the 23rd of June...

You can assume that, but you would be wrong

Don't let that stop you however