The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Generali

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Of course not. But at the end of the day, there was an electoral roll change regarding registration. One that was alarming enough, especially in Fife and in other areas to be debated in Holyrood a few months ago. Many have fallen off the register since last year.

Flashy wee gifs regarding % changes from 2011 aren't really telling the whole truth or are directly comparable now are they. Boundary changes will affect everywhere in the UK terms of favouring the Tories. Lets not pretend it's a Scottish issue.

Erm boundary changes for the Scottish parliament on a separate timetable to the changes to the UK Parliament aren't a Scottish issue?

I'd take more water with it.

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Is a reserved matter Clapton. The Scottish Govt add the 16 and 17 year olds on to the roll for Scottish elections.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/feb/24/nearly-800000-names-axed-from-voter-register-officials-figures-show

It was a change that probably needed made from the old household system. It'll take time for the electorate and registers to catch up though.

I don't understand

could the Scottish government not run a campaign to get people to register ?

We managed to register quite easily on line : is that facility not available in Scotland?

No names are axed : people need to register how is that difficult?

Shakethedisease

CLAPTON wrote: »

I don't understand

could the Scottish government not run a campaign to get people to register ?

We managed to register quite easily on line : is that facility not available in Scotland?

No names are axed : people need to register how is that difficult?

Erm, they don't know they have to ? Or they are students in student hall, renters moving about etc etc. There was a voters drive and if you'd read the Guardian article you would've seen it was partly successful throughout the UK. It's just that the legislation was rushed through so quickly and what with being able to vote in May GE 15 no probs... might have led many to think that there was no issue in repeating the same a mere 12 months later.

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Erm, they don't know they have to ? Or they are students in student hall, renters moving about etc etc. There was a voters drive and if you'd read the Guardian article you would've seen it was partly successful throughout the UK. It's just that the legislation was rushed through so quickly and what with being able to vote in May GE 15 no probs... might have led many to think that there was no issue in repeating the same a mere 12 months later.

in england , registration takes place every year: is that not so in scotland?

could not social media be used to inform the young of that it is now their own responsibility to register rather than mum and dad or the Uni hall of residence or their flat mate.

if they are mature enough to vote for scottish independence or to stay/leave the EU surely they are mature enough to register.

I forget the argument why it was 'essential' they should get the vote at 16 but surely having the brains to register, should be a factor?

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

Erm boundary changes for the Scottish parliament on a separate timetable to the changes to the UK Parliament aren't a Scottish issue?

I'd take more water with it.

If it's UK wide then it's a Scottish issue regardless of timetable if it's before 2020. If it's the Scottish elections then it's a Scottish only issue in 2021. Since the SNP hold 54(+2) seats out of 59 in Scotland regarding MP's at Westminster. Any reduction in constituencies favours the Tories....in Westminster in terms of less opposition.

Still, all big elections are four or five years away right now anything can happen. By that time Ruth Davidson will be sinking a valium or two prior to every First Ministers Questions and the Daily Record will be joyfully and 24/7 pushing the benefits of Home Rule. By then Scottish media will have dismissed as mere irrelevancies any suggestion of fiscal black holes because if Scottish Labour say it's true and Scotland can do FFA, then it must be so.

The SNP will start their own new drive for independence this month. Scottish Greens will be only to happy to oblige..since half their Scottish membership now depends on their pro-indy stance. There will be a few bitter spats in Holyrood coming up on important policies ( APD, Named Persons, the budget re tax etc ). But the independence one is coming along nicely.

Brexit is the only possible thing that can reactivate a referendum within the next 4 years. And boy has Dave jumped the shark for the remain side if today's headlines are anything to go by. :eek:

Shakethedisease

CLAPTON wrote: »

in england , registration takes place every year: is that not so in scotland?

could not social media be used to inform the young of that it is now their own responsibility to register rather than mum and dad or the Uni hall of residence or their flat mate.

if they are mature enough to vote for scottish independence or to stay/leave the EU surely they are mature enough to register.

I forget the argument why it was 'essential' they should get the vote at 16 but surely having the brains to register, should be a factor?

I have a 16 year old. There was a registration drive at his school a few months ago 'bring along your NI number'. I assume this was replicated elsewhere and extensively. However, we're talking of previous voters who've unknowingly been dropped off the electoral roll due being unaware that household registration has moved over to individual registrations. Not everyone is as politically engaged day to day as you and I.

Generali

Shakethedisease wrote: »

If it's UK wide then it's a Scottish issue regardless of timetable if it's before 2020. If it's the Scottish elections then it's a Scottish only issue in 2021. Since the SNP hold 54(+2) seats out of 59 in Scotland regarding MP's at Westminster. Any reduction in constituencies favours the Tories....in Westminster in terms of less opposition.

The constituency boundaries for the Scottish Parliament must be reviewed and, if necessary, changed between 2019-2022

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Still, all big elections are four or five years away right now anything can happen. By that time Ruth Davidson will be sinking a valium or two prior to every First Ministers Questions and the Daily Record will be joyfully and 24/7 pushing the benefits of Home Rule. By then Scottish media will have dismissed as mere irrelevancies any suggestion of fiscal black holes because if Scottish Labour say it's true and Scotland can do FFA, then it must be so.

That's quite an assumption. Ms Davidson seems a talented woman, why would she need to take drugs to get through a session of FMQs?

While you may be credulous enough to think that independence in the face of the horrific finances an independent Scotland would face as things stand would be reasonable to force onto your fellow Scots it's hard to see how you could convince half the country to cut of its nose to spite its face.

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

The constituency boundaries for the Scottish Parliament must be reviewed and, if necessary, changed between 2019-2022

It'll all come out in the wash. If it can be delayed until after 2021 then it won't matter until 2026 elections.

That's quite an assumption. Ms Davidson seems a talented woman, why would she need to take drugs to get through a session of FMQs?

Because instead of ducking things like below. She'll be front and center every week having to account for it. She won't be able to no show for another photo op. The below is an actual headline in a Scottish newspaper last week. Expect much more of the same.

Spineless Ruth Davidson refuses to defend Tory cuts to disabled Scots ... so she can a**e about on boat for wacky photo op

SHAMELESS Ruth Davidson claimed she was too busy to defend brutal Tory cuts to disabled Scots – then went on a boat trip photo op instead. The Conservatives were the only party to dodge an election hustings organised by the Glasgow Disability Alliance in the city yesterday.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/spineless-ruth-davidson-refuses-defend-7865388#UfvKoU3yzS5xYhib.97

While you may be credulous enough to think that independence in the face of the horrific finances an independent Scotland would face as things stand would be reasonable to force onto your fellow Scots it's hard to see how you could convince half the country to cut of its nose to spite its face.

I didn't say anything. I said that Scottish Labour are looking like they are mulling over Home Rule/FFA/Devo Max. Fiscal black hole's for them may no longer be any sort of problem whatsoever..and Labour supporting newspapers like the Daily 'Vow' Record will be reporting as such. Nothing to do with the SNP or me.

And if Labour don't go down that route. Then oblivion awaits.

elantan

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Didn't take long. Never thought I'd see the day we'd be hearing ex high heid yins ( ie big name MP's ) in Scottish Labour like Sarwar ever mulling over Home Rule for Scotland. Especially after the referendum campaign he fought.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/08/scottish-labour-under-pressure-revisit-home-rule

We can expect ( a slightly bemused ) SNP to be fully supportive and welcoming of this policy should it come to pass, with 100% co-operation... up until the 'Westminster retains part powers' bit. :T

See I and many like me remember their position being very clear ... they wanted us to remain controlled by WM ... they may have learned that that's came back to bite them But they did it and now have to live with their choice

But I remember Johann standing with Ruth and attempting to smile ... she ain't smiling no more, another casualty, but Atleast we know we're not capable of making political decisions

I won't forget it and neither will many more people

And as for home rule is that big Gordo's home rule no kids this time honest ? We better not be fooled again

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I have a 16 year old. There was a registration drive at his school a few months ago 'bring along your NI number'. I assume this was replicated elsewhere and extensively. However, we're talking of previous voters who've unknowingly been dropped off the electoral roll due being unaware that household registration has moved over to individual registrations. Not everyone is as politically engaged day to day as you and I.

You seem to think the people of Scotland are not capable of handling the burden of democracy.
It seems to me to be entirely in the power of the SNP government to education it's own citizens in the complexities of registering to vote.