The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

ruggedtoast

Hintza wrote: »

And you will lose again by a bigger margin.

By that time the everyone not part of the cult will have woken up and seen the emperor has no clothes.

No one wants to see Alex Salmond without clothes.

Yes will win by a landslide.

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

I don't think I need to respond to that, the prophesying you did in the latter paragraphs is gold to anyone who agrees with my point about SNP and indy support being close to religious dogma. Wilfully ignoring the fall in indy support, the litany of SNP failures, the evidence against independence, accepting the lies the SNP tell, it's a beautiful example of what I was talking about previously. Which ironically you said wasn't worth a response, what a response you gave! A description of the pro-indy SNP version of the perfect storm for independence to win out - I thank you a useful insight into the mind of the delusional. And if you think I'm wrong just focus on this part of what you said:

Just like you know how everyone else did vote in the EU ref and will vote in future, I think we all know why John Curtice hasn't offered you a job yet lol

Let me get this straight. I'm delusional for pointing out that in the event of a Hard Brexit there will be another independence referendum. For pointing out that people in Scotland are more likely at this point in time to vote for independence than ever before. That EU nationals will vote Yes this time, and that previous Labour No voters will be so torn between their traditional anti-Tory stances, and their previous views on independence that they won't vote at all ?

While you dance about getting excited about an 0.7% 'drop' in independence support in one poll before there's even an independence referendum campaign started. Getting lost in self indulgent rants about cults and imagined similarities to religious dogma ?

I'm strictly sticking to what's very likely to happen in the near future given recent events. Letting you know what's on the cards, what's coming next down the line and why from a Scottish pro indy perspective. I understand you do not like it, but wishful thinking isn't going to make any of it go away.

Hard Brexit = Independence referendum. It's been the case since the 23rd June and still is now. I'm sorry to be so blunt. But you and posters like Hintza, string etc etc kind of get carried away on your own thoughts about the SNP, droning on about lies and how they're going to lose a 2nd referendum no question. Rather than face head on what's going to actually happen in reality. A Hard Brexit means Scotland going to the polls again. No question about it. This 55% ( 2014) 62% ( Remain 2016 ) in the last two referendums needs resolved one way or the other and the only way to do so is to ask.

I've never once said so far that a second referendum will be won. Just that it's on the cards and that I obviously hope it will be won by Yes. Huge factors are at play that weren't last time, and vice versa. It's all changed. But the polls are close and it could go either way.

Time you reconciled yourselves to the opposite. That it might be No that loses next time. The polls are close and it could go either way.

TrickyTree83

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Let me get this straight. I'm delusional for pointing out that in the event of a Hard Brexit there will be another independence referendum. For pointing out that people in Scotland are more likely at this point in time to vote for independence than ever before. That EU nationals will vote Yes this time, and that previous Labour No voters will be so torn between their traditional anti-Tory stances, and their previous views on independence that they won't vote at all ?

While you dance about getting excited about an 0.7% 'drop' in independence support in one poll before there's even an independence referendum campaign started. Getting lost in self indulgent rants about cults and imagined similarities to religious dogma ?

I'm strictly sticking to what's very likely to happen in the near future given recent events. Letting you know what's on the cards, what's coming next down the line and why from a Scottish pro indy perspective. I understand you do not like it, but wishful thinking isn't going to make any of it go away.

Hard Brexit = Independence referendum. It's been the case since the 23rd June and still is now. I'm sorry to be so blunt. But you and posters like Hintza, string etc etc kind of get carried away on your own thoughts about the SNP, droning on about lies and how they're going to lose a 2nd referendum no question. Rather than face head on what's going to actually happen in reality. A Hard Brexit means Scotland going to the polls again. No question about it. This 55% ( 2014) 62% ( Remain 2016 ) in the last two referendums needs resolved one way or the other and the only way to do so is to ask.

I've never once said so far that a second referendum will be won. Just that it's on the cards and that I obviously hope it will be won by Yes. Huge factors are at play that weren't last time, and vice versa. It's all changed. But the polls are close and it could go either way.

Time you reconciled yourselves to the opposite. That it might be No that loses next time. The polls are close and it could go either way.

I thought my post was quite clear where the delusion lies.

I don't have to reconcile anything, it's the people of Scotland who haven't bought into the lies I feel for if somehow you achieve the goal of independence when the evidence proves true and you ruin more lives in Scotland than Brexit ever could.

But happy days eh?

TrickyTree83

ruggedtoast wrote: »

No one wants to see Alex Salmond without clothes.

Yes will win by a landslide.

Like comrade Corbyn will?

Yes didn't win last time, they've alienated previous yes voters who wanted to leave the EU, the polls show a shift away from SNP policy across multiple questions, and they will present unknown options to the Scottish electorate if they hold indy 2 before we leave the EU. That's without going into the evidence against independence and the shocking lack of evidence that supports it being a better choice. It's an ideological position, nothing more. It seems to me to be doomed to failure, lets not forget that echo chambers made people think remain would win, Trump would lose, Jeremy is the messiah and now makes pro indy supporters think they've got it in the bag. Conveniently forgetting about all the people who don't agree with them, as an echo chamber does.

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Like comrade Corbyn will?

Yes didn't win last time, they've alienated previous yes voters who wanted to leave the EU, the polls show a shift away from SNP policy across multiple questions, and they will present unknown options to the Scottish electorate if they hold indy 2 before we leave the EU. That's without going into the evidence against independence and the shocking lack of evidence that supports it being a better choice. It's an ideological position, nothing more. It seems to me to be doomed to failure, lets not forget that echo chambers made people think remain would win, Trump would lose, Jeremy is the messiah and now makes pro indy supporters think they've got it in the bag. Conveniently forgetting about all the people who don't agree with them, as an echo chamber does.

Yes. Just like the Brexit vote.#takingbackcontrol

LABMAN

NS publicly stated she wanted to be judged on Education...what's the independent verdict? The penalty for her failure should be resignation if she was honourable.

Shakethedisease

LABMAN wrote: »

NS publicly stated she wanted to be judged on Education...what's the independent verdict? The penalty for her failure should be resignation if she was honourable.

Sure. But that will be for people at the ballot box to decide. And in May, they were quite happy with the SNP on Education.

I've got five kids. They've all done just fine after or (3 of them ) currently going through the Scottish Education system. I'm quite happy to judge on extensive personal experience. Scottish Labour, Tories or Lib Dems have no real answers as to what they'd do differently either. <--- That's a real doozer of problem for them.

Perhaps since you're so resignation happy. You'd like to put forward what you think Scottish Labour or the other parties are currently offering as alternatives for folks to vote for ? *Am all ears.

*100/1 There's no reply to this post.

antrobus

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Sure. But that will be for people at the ballot box to decide.... .

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-29270441

I know. But even when the people have spoken at the ballot box, some people just won't listen.:)

Hintza

Not going well at the Supreme Court for the Nats


Supreme Court judges have said they were “struggling” to see the relevance of the Scottish Government’s case that MSPs should be consulted before the Prime Minister starts formal Brexit negotiations.

Shame

Hintza

Shakethedisease wrote: »

And in May, they were quite happy with the SNP on Education.

How do you figure that out?

I don't know of anyone who is happy with curriculum for excellence.