The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

TrickyTree83

Shakethedisease wrote: »

It was 'seen' up here as a forgone conclusion by pretty much everyone. Just as it was in the rest of the UK. Leave weren't expected to win remember ? Scotland was just looking at the time to be one of the strongest Remain areas, in a UK that would also vote Remain.

Didn't quite turn out as planned.

You're saying the SNP engineered a Remain vote in Scotland, because they knew the UK as a whole would vote to Leave ? Don't talk daft, really. Have a word with yourself lol. Everyone thought Remain would win. Including Farage and probably even yourself when the polls closed. The SNP engineered nothing and you're rewriting history as you go along.

The manifesto pledge they made positioned them, the campaigning pushed forward that position, they just had to hope the result went the way it did in order to have another shot at independence.

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

The manifesto pledge they made positioned them, the campaigning pushed forward that position, they just had to hope the result went the way it did in order to have another shot at independence.

Nice one ! Now trying to blame the SNP for England voting to Leave like they had anything at all to do with it.

There's political parties putting ducks in rows ( since 2015 ) just in case the unthinkable actually happens. Then there's people trying to blame political parties for a vote in a country they don't even stand candidates in.

England voted Leave. Scotland voted Remain. How you can say the Leave vote in England was something the SNP sneakily engineered in order to boost independence support is beyond me. And actually probably most people reading this. You surely can't be serious ?

.string.

Shakethedisease wrote: »

....You're saying the SNP engineered a Remain vote in Scotland ....

Shakethedisease wrote: »

.... How you can say the Leave vote in England was something the SNP sneakily engineered ....

Please make up your mind, I know it was late at night but you are not paying enough attention. What TT actually wrote was

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

.... the SNP asked people to vote remain on the basis of engineering another opportunity for independence ....

I can remember you dribbling over the prospect of England voting one way and Scotland the other.

TrickyTree83

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Nice one ! Now trying to blame the SNP for England voting to Leave like they had anything at all to do with it.

There's political parties putting ducks in rows ( since 2015 ) just in case the unthinkable actually happens. Then there's people trying to blame political parties for a vote in a country they don't even stand candidates in.

England voted Leave. Scotland voted Remain. How you can say the Leave vote in England was something the SNP sneakily engineered in order to boost independence support is beyond me. And actually probably most people reading this. You surely can't be serious ?

Where in my post do I blame the SNP for the leave vote? Let alone anything to do with an English vote?

Hintza

The Scottish Government is facing questions over the potential loss of £14 million of European Union (EU) funds due to errors with projects.

Jenny Marra, convener of Holyrood's Public Audit and Post Legislative Scrutiny Committee, has written to the Scottish Government's most senior civil servant seeking answers.

Audit Scotland's report on the government's accounts for 2015-16 said the £14 million was "permanent loss of grant to the Scottish Government which it cannot now recover".

Competent? I don't think so.

How are the farm payments and the associated IT project going?

kabayiri

Shakethedisease wrote: »

It was 'seen' up here as a forgone conclusion by pretty much everyone. Just as it was in the rest of the UK. Leave weren't expected to win remember ? Scotland was just looking at the time to be one of the strongest Remain areas, in a UK that would also vote Remain.
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Speculation, speculation, speculation.

I can see why you might think this. For SNP advocates rUK == London == Westminster. You listened to the mood music coming out of London too much.

rUK is more than just London.

You accuse people down here of being out of touch with the needs of Scotland.

Well, it works two ways. I think you / fellow SNP'ers are completely unaware of the challenges people face in the regions of the UK.

It smacks of arrogance frankly.

You can't claim greater political awareness up in Scotland and then follow it up with referendum complacency.

TrickyTree83

kabayiri wrote: »

Speculation, speculation, speculation.

I can see why you might think this. For SNP advocates rUK == London == Westminster. You listened to the mood music coming out of London too much.

rUK is more than just London.

You accuse people down here of being out of touch with the needs of Scotland.

Well, it works two ways. I think you / fellow SNP'ers are completely unaware of the challenges people face in the regions of the UK.

It smacks of arrogance frankly.

You can't claim greater political awareness up in Scotland and then follow it up with referendum complacency.

The whole independence movement comes across as holier than thou.

Their politicians are better, their social attitudes are better, their press is better, their government is better, they could do everything better if only they were independent and free of the yoke of Westminster.

It's dogmatic. Almost like a religion. Especially when you consider the best they can do to support the argument is attempt to discredit existing evidence against independence rather than point to evidence of independence being the better option.

mollycat

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

The whole independence movement comes across as holier than thou.

Their politicians are better, their social attitudes are better, their press is better, their government is better, they could do everything better if only they were independent and free of the yoke of Westminster.

It's dogmatic. Almost like a religion. Especially when you consider the best they can do to support the argument is attempt to discredit existing evidence against independence rather than point to evidence of independence being the better option.

Spot on!

The whole pathetic, divisive, selfish project summed up in one beautifully worded post.

These people are on the road where (imaginary) grudge is everything.

Shakethedisease

.string. wrote: »

Please make up your mind, I know it was late at night but you are not paying enough attention. What TT actually wrote was

the SNP asked people to vote remain on the basis of engineering another opportunity for independence

Don't talk complete hogwash string. The SNP have been pro Eu for decades and every single party in Scotland campaigned for a Remain vote. You, Tricky and kabayiri are trying to rewrite years of SNP history and recent Brexit campaigning history in order to try and prove something that doesn't exist. The SNP were Remain because they're pro EU. As were Scottish Labour, Ruth Davidson and Scottish Lib Dems. Simple as that.

I can remember you dribbling over the prospect of England voting one way and Scotland the other.

I can remember you dismissing the prospect as mere fantasy. You were wrong on that weren't you. However, the Scottish vote was never in doubt. It was how England/Wales would vote that was in doubt.

Shakethedisease

kabayiri wrote: »

Speculation, speculation, speculation.

I can see why you might think this. For SNP advocates rUK == London == Westminster. You listened to the mood music coming out of London too much.

rUK is more than just London.

You accuse people down here of being out of touch with the needs of Scotland.

Well, it works two ways. I think you / fellow SNP'ers are completely unaware of the challenges people face in the regions of the UK.

It smacks of arrogance frankly.

You can't claim greater political awareness up in Scotland and then follow it up with referendum complacency.

There was never throughout the entire campaign ever any suggestion from any quarter that Scotland would vote Leave. Neither in polls, media nor commentary.

As for mood music. The Union is a political union. Political union = Westminster. This is not arrogance, it's a very basic fact. Is this political union that many Scots want to now leave.