The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

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...... and to think

Those 1.3m could have changed everything

TrickyTree83

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Well there were warnings about holding the referendum so close to the Scottish elections. And let's face it, it was always going to be Remain by a huge margin up here anyway.

It's not that people didn't care. It's that it was a forgone conclusion compared to the rUK.

Why was it?

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

If you're right about the political landscape in Scotland, then what Kezia says and does is of little if not no consequence.

It is with those that still vote Labour - mainly older working class voters, and how the Scottish media - also Labour leaning, start presenting things. Is all moving away from preserving the Union in it's current form.

*Whereas before it was Labour + Tories/Lib Dems and Union at all costs. Now it's just the Tories in the main. With Scottish Labour and the SNP now both on definite paths respectively away from it. Either via Federalisation, or independence.

I read the vow, Holyrood is still in place, there is no bill to dissolve it, there is no possible way parliament could create a bill that cannot be repealed by parliament at a later date. Holyrood is permanent by Westminster's consent. Always was, and always will be as part of the UK in its current form.

Yes. But being sold lies doesn't wash well.

This is all very well and good, you might well think, before 2016. From 1999 - 2016, Sewel was just a political convention. You didn't find it in any law. But surely the Scotland Act must make some kind of difference? Surely there was some point in including Sewel in the 2016 Act? If there wasn't, if the idea Westminster will not "normally legislate for devolved matters without consent" is just empty words, just hot political air, then why the devil did MPs do it?

But for ordinary folk who followed the passage of the Scotland Act through Westminster and Holyrood, who listened to David Mundell's defence of its provisions -- Richard Keen's uncompromising submissions today may come as something of an unwelcome surprise

http://lallandspeatworrier.blogspot.co.uk/2016/12/sewel-no-constitutional-safeguard-just.html

No idea why the SC going to make any difference now anyway given the vote tonight to trigger Article 50 via a parliament vote. Game on eh. :cool:

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Well there were warnings about holding the referendum so close to the Scottish elections. And let's face it, it was always going to be Remain by a huge margin up here anyway.

It's not that people didn't care. It's that it was a forgone conclusion compared to the rUK.

what's more important : brexit or local government elections?

.string.

Just for information:

https://www.supremecourt.uk/about/biographies-of-the-justices.html

I think that's
7. English
2. Scottish
2. Welsh
1. N.Irish

Just in case anyone is looking for bias.

Impressive CVs.

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Why was it?

Polling at the time. I mean they've been out by enough points to make differences to results recently... but not by THAT much.

Activists and political parties had thrown everything they had and all finances at the Scottish elections. Remain was a forgone conclusion in the Brexit vote a few weeks later, and so it proved to be as predicted in Scotland.

Shakethedisease

CLAPTON wrote: »

what's more important : brexit or local government elections?

Council elections are next May.

.string.

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Yes. But being sold lies doesn't wash well.

Then stop it if you are worried about the lies told by the SNP.

TrickyTree83

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Polling at the time. I mean they've been out by enough points to make differences to results recently... but not by THAT much.

Activists and political parties had thrown everything they had and all finances at the Scottish elections. Remain was a forgone conclusion in the Brexit vote a few weeks later, and so it proved to be as predicted in Scotland.

I'm not sure that we can say that it was a foregone conclusion by any means. Especially since the SNP asked people to vote remain on the basis of engineering another opportunity for independence.

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

I'm not sure that we can say that it was a foregone conclusion by any means. Especially since the SNP asked people to vote remain on the basis of engineering another opportunity for independence.

It was 'seen' up here as a forgone conclusion by pretty much everyone. Just as it was in the rest of the UK. Leave weren't expected to win remember ? Scotland was just looking at the time to be one of the strongest Remain areas, in a UK that would also vote Remain.

Didn't quite turn out as planned.

You're saying the SNP engineered a Remain vote in Scotland, because they knew the UK as a whole would vote to Leave ? Don't talk daft, really. Have a word with yourself lol. Everyone thought Remain would win. Including Farage and probably even yourself when the polls closed. The SNP engineered nothing and you're rewriting history as you go along am afraid.