The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

sss555s

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Oh right, so now we're not all racist and xenophobic?

Is it just those who voted to leave the EU, because they're disagreeable to start with?

Tricky mate, I don't think the English are any more racist than other parts of the UK in general other than the link you quoted indicated most places in the UK were slightly more racist than Scotland, bar London.

It was you that brought it up with your Anglophobia in big letters and saying we were talking balls if we denied it.

It's not really a part of this thread for me.

TrickyTree83

sss555s wrote: »

Tricky mate, I don't think the English are any more racist than other parts of the UK in general other than the link you quoted indicated most places in the UK were slightly more racist than Scotland, bar London.

It was you that brought it up with your Anglophobia in big letters and saying we were talking balls if we denied it.

It's not really a part of this thread for me.

The point I was making was that there is a link between anglophobic opinions and voting SNP, it was in reference to the bile spewed on pro-indy blogs like Wings Over Scotland. I was challenged on it, I provided the proof that the link exists.

You're all talking balls if you deny A) that anglophobia exists in Scotland and if you deny that there is a link between anglophobia and voting for the SNP or having a 'strong sense of Scottish identity' as it's been proven in research.

At no point did I tar all Scots as anglophobic, at no point did I assert that the majority of Scots were anglophobic and neither did I say there was a large proportion of Scots who were anglophobic. This is all made up stuff to try to make me look bad.

If you then accept that it exists and that there's a link between anglophobia and voting SNP then why do we not see people disavowing the anglophobes? I will certainly condemn people in England attacking Eastern Europeans, my wife is one of these Eastern Europeans. I will disavow all hate crime, I'd like us all to be treated equally, a true equality that doesn't include affirmative action or positive discrimination.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

The English don't matter. We're bigots, racists and xenophobes. Some people on here have made their views quite clear.

Not all of you..... But far too many for our liking.

Racism 'on the rise' in UK with 1 in 3 people admitting prejudice
The British Social Attitudes Survey found a link to the immigration debate

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/racism-on-the-rise-in-uk-with-1-in-3-people-admitting-prejudice-9443555.html

The figure in Scotland from the same survey is 14%... Which we find unacceptable - but is less than half the level of racism in England.

Like it or not we look on in horror at some of the public debate and attitudes on display in the media - and want nothing to do with that sort of bigotry.

When you have people like Farage openly admitting they wouldn't want Eastern Europeans living next door - and are uncomfortable hearing a foreign language on the train - and then leading the campaign to leave the EU....

Well it's not exactly demonstrating your ability to be inclusive and tolerant is it?

ruggedtoast

In my experience of the UK, English people can indeed be pretty racist. Its much worse among older people but by no means confined to them.

However they can also be pretty good at hiding it. Grumbling behind closed doors is another English trait.

Some of my family are a case in point. If you were to listed to them sounding off about immigrants in their front room you might as well be in a UKIP coffee morning with all the thoughtless and offensive racism that implies:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2005/feb/06/otherparties.politicalcolumnists

But if a black African French passport holding family moved in next door that family would never ever know what their neighbours really thought of them because English racists are good at being very two faced.

I am willing to bet that a lot of the friends and family members of the UKIP cheerleaders on this board would be stunned if they read what these people actually think, rather than what they say in person and vote for in private.

kabayiri

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Not all of you..... But far too many for our liking.
...

You have a solution Hamish. Campaign for Scottish independence, instead of your luke warm bargaining chip support you show now.

You can vote in a policy to attract as many EU migrants in to Scotland as you like then.

kabayiri

ruggedtoast wrote: »

In my experience of the UK, English people can indeed be pretty racist. Its much worse among older people but by no means confined to them.
...

Your experience...

Right.

We know you have never been to Scotland. Have you ever been beyond the Watford gap?

You should try it. Take a holiday. Come and marvel at affordable houses for the young.

ruggedtoast

kabayiri wrote: »

Your experience...

Right.

We know you have never been to Scotland. Have you ever been beyond the Watford gap?

You should try it. Take a holiday. Come and marvel at affordable houses for the young.

Yes, I have lived and travelled in the UK and many other countries.I am entitled to an opinion and thats it.

I will leave other people to comment on the Scots but I know about England.

In my opinion many foreign people mistake what is basically insincerity and two facedness for politeness among the English.

Brexit was very upsetting to many Europeans in England, not because of the vote but because so many people voted for it in some areas that it came as a shock that people who pretended to wish them well actually really don't want them here.

TrickyTree83

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Yes, I have lived and travelled in the UK and many other countries.I am entitled to an opinion and thats it.

I will leave other people to comment on the Scots but I know about England.

In my opinion many foreign people mistake what is basically insincerity and two facedness for politeness among the English.

Brexit was very upsetting to many Europeans in England, not because of the vote but because so many people voted for it in some areas that it came as a shock that people who pretended to wish them well actually really don't want them here.

What a bizarre interpretation of the Leave vote they have then.

Not much different to that Polish woman on Question Time who asserted everyone who voted Leave wanted to kick her out, despite no one ever campaigning to kick people out.

That's the left and the media, whipping up hysteria. Don't believe it.

Nellybee

Living near the three faced clock and on the border with our Scots cousins and over time worked with many Scottish people ,we would laugh and joke about Things English and Scottish .The problem nowadays these things are blown out of proportion and now are classed as racist comments .The world as gone mad and in The UK the young seem to not be able to take something going against them and not make up there own minds about situations and have to be brain washed by things they see on social media.If there was a second EU referendum do you think the Scottish vote would be different now.I ask this as it seems Scottish independence is attached to it

elantan

setmefree2 wrote: »

More project fear. In fact the number of Europeans coming to the UK has increased since Brexit.



http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/16/number-of-eastern-european-migrants-working-in-the-uk-since-the/

Of course it's project fear I blame the SNP for it how dare they do ...... well whatever it is they do really but I'm sure you get the drift ...

don't by any means accept any truth in it ...