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The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

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  • cogito
    cogito Posts: 4,898 Forumite
    sss555s wrote: »
    Your post seems a bit misleading.
    The article quotes that Jolyon Maugham (A barrister at Devereux Chanbers) is suggesting that Nicola Sturgeon could halt Brexit. There is nothing at all quoted from Sturgeon.

    It looks like a bit of wishful thinking from Maugham judging by other things he has wrote.

    Your post is a bit misleading. The Supreme Court announced last Friday that the Scottish and Welsh governments could put their case at the next hearing.
  • antrobus
    antrobus Posts: 17,386 Forumite
    cogito wrote: »
    Your post is a bit misleading. The Supreme Court announced last Friday that the Scottish and Welsh governments could put their case at the next hearing.

    I wouldn't get too excited about that. The Independent Workers Union of Great Britain have been allowed to make their case as well. (Whatever it might be.) The IWUGB is an 810 member union that split off the Wobblies; if the Supreme Court is prepared to hear them, it will probably here anyone that is prepared to hire a barrister.:)

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-38027230
  • Of course I don't approve of any attempts to hide the economic reality from people - I've been pointing it out in some detail for many years - just as I didn't approve of the extraordinary dishonesty deployed by the leave campaign in the EU ref and I pointed that out too.

    Yes, I live in Scotland, and yes I'd be one of those with the most to lose financially....

    But frankly if the choice is between remaining in an isolationist and increasingly diminished UK that is out of the EU and single market, or an Indy Scotland that remains in the EU/single market albeit with some financial pain - it's a price worth paying.



    The second part is not an insult - just a statement of fact.

    There has been an extraordinary rise in bigotry, xenophobia, and racism in England over the last year.

    Whether the people displaying it have always been that way inclined and now feel safe saying it publicly following the nasty tone of the EU ref - or have just been conned by the lies and fear peddled by so many Brexiteers I can't say.... but the result is indisputable.

    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/brexit-hate-crimes-racism-eu-referendum-vote-attacks-increase-police-figures-official-a7358866.html

    I am a life long Tory voter and I regarded many of the speeches at the recent Conservative conference absolutely repugnant - and the press headlines since across the Mail, Express, Sun, etc, little short of disgusting.

    If that offends me - as a Conservative - you can only imagine the horrified reaction from more centrist or left leaning Scots.

    England appears to rapidly be diverging from our values and moving to a very nasty, bigoted, hateful and fear-filled view of the World - and frankly many of us want nothing to do with that.

    So unless the political leadership in England quite rapidly manages to shut down what we see as overt bigotry, racism and xenophobia from a disturbingly large section of the population and the media - I rather suspect we'll vote to break up the UK before this parliament is out.

    And consequences be damned.

    Basing your vote on what the media says, and on a statistically minute amount of idiots.

    Slow round of applause for yourself.

    Labelling the rest of the UK as you have done is just dancing to the tune the regressive left media are playing for you. But sure, be damned to those consequences for you wouldn't want to come across some of those English bigots would you?

    If you believe that 17m people voted with racism and xenophobia in mind. YOU are the bigot pal.
  • elantan
    elantan Posts: 21,022 Forumite
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    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-eu-nurses-are-suffering-racist-abuse-and-heading-home-a-parliamentary-inquiry-is-told-a7423611.html


    I'll just leave that here shall I ... of course though it must be the snp''s fault with all their anglophobia going about
  • setmefree2
    setmefree2 Posts: 9,072 Forumite
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    .string. wrote: »
    I am astonished! While automatically distrusting anything that Stugeon does, I'm drawn to the report that Nicola Sturgeon could halt Brexit through ruling in European court

    That would have all all sorts of implications.

    Yup - initially I like that.

    But not for exactly the same reasons as Sturgeon I suspect.

    Go for it Nicola; go for it now.

    Which raises the question should rUK have a referendum to force Scotland out of the UK?
  • setmefree2
    setmefree2 Posts: 9,072 Forumite
    Mortgage-free Glee!

    Am far from reveling believe me. Sometimes am horrified. I suppose these days people like me are just dismissed as SJW's and wishy washy liberal's.

    We've been horrified by Scottish Nationalism for decades here in England. Hasn't stopped you.
  • setmefree2
    setmefree2 Posts: 9,072 Forumite
    Mortgage-free Glee!
    elantan wrote: »
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-eu-nurses-are-suffering-racist-abuse-and-heading-home-a-parliamentary-inquiry-is-told-a7423611.html


    I'll just leave that here shall I ... of course though it must be the snp''s fault with all their anglophobia going about

    More project fear. In fact the number of Europeans coming to the UK has increased since Brexit.
    Number of European migrants working in the UK surges since EU referendum

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/16/number-of-eastern-european-migrants-working-in-the-uk-since-the/
  • kabayiri
    kabayiri Posts: 22,740 Forumite
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    ...
    So unless the political leadership in England quite rapidly manages to shut down what we see as overt bigotry, racism and xenophobia from a disturbingly large section of the population and the media - I rather suspect we'll vote to break up the UK before this parliament is out.
    ...

    Well, if you accept the possibility of Scottish nationalism giving rise to independence, then you should also accept that there could be an equivalent rise in English nationalism.

    I do think we need an English political structure to fight for English rights, just like Wales, NI and Scotland.
  • elantan wrote: »
    http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-eu-nurses-are-suffering-racist-abuse-and-heading-home-a-parliamentary-inquiry-is-told-a7423611.html


    I'll just leave that here shall I ... of course though it must be the snp''s fault with all their anglophobia going about

    You clearly misunderstood everything I said about anglophobia if you think I was blaming the SNP.
  • kabayiri
    kabayiri Posts: 22,740 Forumite
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    setmefree2 wrote: »
    Which raises the question should rUK have a referendum to force Scotland out of the UK?

    Each region : England; Wales; NI and Scotland; should have a vote to show the strength of feeling towards independence IMO.

    I don't assume the union is working for all Scots, or all Welsh, and I shouldn't assume it works for fellow English people either.
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