The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

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Just how pompous can Sturgeon get:

Nicola Sturgeon writes congratulatory letter to Donald Trump

"On that basis, I wish you success..."

Talk about a grudging congratulation letter!

That woman simply can't change gear, she can't avoid the obsession of seeing everything as potential whinge material if it doesn't go the way she wants.

kabayiri

.string. wrote: »

Just how pompous can Sturgeon get:

Nicola Sturgeon writes congratulatory letter to Donald Trump



Talk about a grudging congratulation letter!

That woman simply can't change gear, she can't avoid the obsession of seeing everything as potential whinge material if it doesn't go the way she wants.

He probably doesn't care now anyway.

She doesn't represent the UK, so it's unlikely he has to deal with her.

I heard that he has to make 4000 appointments in the coming weeks. He will be too busy to even read her letter.

elantan

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Will any of that continue in an independent Scotland?

I think everyone knows the answer.

We will see ... but it does let people know that the SNP are not a single issue protest movement ... which was my point

kabayiri

elantan wrote: »

We will see ... but it does let people know that the SNP are not a single issue party ... which was my point

We won't see.

I still don't know this next independence ref date the SNP has in mind.

A few weeks back, it was absolutely essential that this be held before A50 completes.

Now, all we hear is nothing.

The SNP look like they are dithering...

elantan

Or maybe they know they don't have to mention it every two seconds like Labour and Tory do ... they make a statement then don't make anymore till things change ... the Labour and Tory party (and I spose I should mention Lib Dems poor wullie must be feeling left out) talk about it more than enough for them

Shakethedisease

Conrad wrote: »

I'm not sure Scots will vote to remain given the EU has the potential to collapse or fragment, after all future referendums cannot be ruled out with the likes of Le Pen and Wilders very much in the ascendency


I do think remainers could take a deep breath and contemplate a confident prospering independent UK moving forwards and embracing change rather than clinging to a dead idea

While there's remainers and leavers in Scotland of course. There's also a lot of anti-Tory feeling evidenced throughout the last few decades. It's that which will drive any future referendum as much as the EU vote, so shouldn't be discounted.

TrickyTree83

Shakethedisease wrote: »

While there's remainers and leavers in Scotland of course. There's also a lot of anti-Tory feeling evidenced throughout the last few decades. It's that which will drive any future referendum as much as the EU vote, so shouldn't be discounted.

Someone should point out to the Scots then that voting SNP basically means you're getting a Conservative government every time.

Where is the logic in weakening the opposition to the Conservatives by voting for a different form of opposition, destined to only ever be, opposition?

Not a sound argument is it.

Shakethedisease

kabayiri wrote: »

We won't see.

I still don't know this next independence ref date the SNP has in mind.

A few weeks back, it was absolutely essential that this be held before A50 completes.

Now, all we hear is nothing.

The SNP look like they are dithering...

Sturgeon has to go through everything step by step in order to show that's she's done everything possible except call a referendum first. It's the only way to show the absolute and unequivocal choice to Scots voters between a Scotland remaining in the EU, or a Scotland in a right wing Tory run UK out of it. No, if's buts or maybe's. Here's your choice. Either or, no halfway house like Scottish Labour and Lib Dems are trying to pretend.

SNP proposals to stay in the single market will be out in the next few weeks, with Holyrood expected to debate and support. Westminster will have to decide what to do about that.

If it goes ahead, then there's the Supreme Court judgement in Jan with Scottish Govt and other devolved parliaments involvement. And finally Article 50 possibly in March. She won't make a move on any referendum, until Article 50 is actually triggered. This was always the position.

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

If it goes ahead, then there's the Supreme Court judgement in Jan with Scottish Govt and other devolved parliaments involvement. And finally Article 50 possibly in March. She won't make a move on any referendum, until Article 50 is actually triggered. This was always the position.

her actual position has always been no attempt at another iscotland referendum until the polls show around 60%
that was the position before brexit and will be the position after article 50 and on and on.
No new iscotland referendum until the polls are right.

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Someone should point out to the Scots then that voting SNP basically means you're getting a Conservative government every time.

Where is the logic in weakening the opposition to the Conservatives by voting for a different form of opposition, destined to only ever be, opposition?

Not a sound argument is it.

I don't think many Scots see the SNP as comparable to the Tories. Some call them Tartan Tories, other's call them Lefty Loonies. So they must be doing something right.

But it's a distaste for the Tories in wide swathes of Scotland (especially the more heavily populated West of Scotland ) and more particularly a Tory govt of the current make up that will drive sentiment as much as the EU referendum will next time around. Scottish Labour especially are going to have a far far harder time than in 2014 justifying their position.

There are also rumblings in the Scottish Lib Dem ranks. The author here talks about the conference a few days ago. He's somehow gone from being a Lib Dem candidate in the GE 2015 to an ex member.

Yet the leadership's inner-circle lined up one after another, frankly, to tell barefaced lies to the Conference hall. They smeared those bringing the motion as unwitting nationalist conduits, for having the audacity simply to ask that they do two things. Those two requests were possibly the most painfully reasonable one could hope for a liberal and democratic party to agree to...

...Several times those of us with concerns about the party's increasingly default hostility to anyone who didn't toe the line on the constitutional question have reached out, to try to reach a compromise that lets us move forward as one liberal voice. Time and time again those requests fell on deaf ears.

There is now barely any room whatsoever for even critical unionists in the Scottish Liberal Democrats. The gravity of the party has shifted, and it amounts, in essence, to a slightly more cosmopolitan Conservative and Unionist party that doesn't like Iain Duncan Smith.

http://www.predictableparadox.co.uk/2016/11/howling-at-moon-yep.html

edit sorry I got your point wrong, but the fact is that an independent Scotland's political sphere would be very different to the one now. Tories vying for a poor second to Labour until alternatives make ground.