The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

mrginge

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Not really. We were just making general observations about the Scottish media.

The SNP's performance hasn't been that bad since 2007. It's kind of why they keep getting voted in. Logic dictates that if their performance really was as shambolic as the media makes out, the voters might have noticed after a decade. Never mind giving them more votes than ever before in May. It's certainly not for the want or a lack of front page headlines trying to tell people how crap they are. Doesn't live up to the reality am afraid.

That's your own basic logic fail right there.

The keep getting voted in because they are a single issue protest movement.
That's why their only tactic is to keep their single issue on the agenda.
Problem of course is that sensible people start to see the reality and realise that being governed by a set of incompetents isn't really a long term solution.

elantan

For a single issue protest movement they are doing no too badly ... no one pays bedroom tax here ... better NHS than the rest of the UK ... still no toll roads or prescription costs ... that single issue is quite broad isn't it

TrickyTree83

elantan wrote: »

For a single issue protest movement they are doing no too badly ... no one pays bedroom tax here ... better NHS than the rest of the UK ... still no toll roads or prescription costs ... that single issue is quite broad isn't it

Will any of that continue in an independent Scotland?

I think everyone knows the answer.

CLAPTON

elantan wrote: »

For a single issue protest movement they are doing no too badly ... no one pays bedroom tax here ... better NHS than the rest of the UK ... still no toll roads or prescription costs ... that single issue is quite broad isn't it

well actually in the fairer more equal scotland, social tenants in private accommodation do pay spare room surcharge whereas social tenants in council housing don't.
health out turns in scotland are worse than in england
but scotland does give massive handouts to rich middle class people instead of rasing education stndards for the disadvantaged.

but the important thing is that the people vote for the SNP in a fair democratic way : pity they didn't trust the SNP enough to vote for independence as well: who knows, if the people knew which currency they would be using, maybe they would have voted YES

Tromking

elantan wrote: »

For a single issue protest movement they are doing no too badly ... no one pays bedroom tax here ... better NHS than the rest of the UK ... still no toll roads or prescription costs ... that single issue is quite broad isn't it

The current Scottish devolved Government spends the 'subsidy' reasonably well although very politically. No problem with that as what it is a political party if doesn't act to garner popularity.
The problem for the SNP is the more it spends UK money it doesn't warrant, the more it relies on it and the more it's core goal of independence becomes less likely. Barnett makes an independent Scotland impossible IMO.

ruggedtoast

Fundamentally the SNP has done a very good job of convincing Scots that they have the best interests of average Scottish people at heart and aren't being bought off by corporate billionaires or allowing themselves to be bullied by Westminster politicians.

Whether this is actually true or not I don't know, but this is what Scottish people seem to think, even the ones who aren't actually SNP supporters.

It isn't rocket science, a democratically elected government whose first duty appears to be to the people who elected it, rather than a small elite of super rich special interests.

Fundamentally this is what Brexit was about. The Tories, true to form, immediately demonstrated that they haven't the barest first clue as to what normal people want to see, and appointed a bossy posh school ma'am as leader, who immediately stuffed her cabinet with right wing Bullingdon toffs who can't even pretend they know what its like to walk round Asda and have to look at the prices before putting things in their trolley.

If Scotland goes Indy the SNP will be home free because regardless of how badly it goes at the beginning, most Scots will trust them to have made the right decision.

But that doesn't mean they'll necessarily vote for it in another referendum. Yet.

TrickyTree83

If the independence supporters and SNP achieve their aims it will be a pyrrhic victory with no way back.

beecher2

ruggedtoast wrote: »

Fundamentally the SNP has done a very good job of convincing Scots that they have the best interests of average Scottish people at heart and aren't being bought off by corporate billionaires or allowing themselves to be bullied by Westminster politicians.

You also have to look at the alternatives available. The SNP wouldn't be so successful if Labour had been able to get its act together and it slow decline in Scotland since 1999 hasseen much of its support move to the SNP.

In an independent Scotland, I hope there would be alternative parties to vote for.

Conrad

I'm not sure Scots will vote to remain given the EU has the potential to collapse or fragment, after all future referendums cannot be ruled out with the likes of Le Pen and Wilders very much in the ascendency


I do think remainers could take a deep breath and contemplate a confident prospering independent UK moving forwards and embracing change rather than clinging to a dead idea

ruggedtoast

beecher2 wrote: »

You also have to look at the alternatives available. The SNP wouldn't be so successful if Labour had been able to get its act together and it slow decline in Scotland since 1999 hasseen much of its support move to the SNP.

In an independent Scotland, I hope there would be alternative parties to vote for.

As much of New Labour's support in England drifted away during Blairism.

If English people see the Blairite PLP putting them second after their own corporate interests, Scots felt they came a distant third after that.

After Corbyn's second victory the PLP is slowly beginning to choke down the awful reality that Labour MPs have to answer to Labour voters first, rather than corporate lobbyists. That the country needs a left wing alternative to right wing demagogues, and that they are going to be it.

That is at least the seed of a revival in Scotland.