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The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.
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“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
I notice a certain group of posters are missing in action today....
Maybe SNP HQ has been too depressed to issue the spin/talking-points denying what a bad result this was for them yet?“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »I notice a certain group of posters are missing in action today....
Maybe SNP HQ has been too depressed to issue the spin/talking-points denying what a bad result this was for them yet?
Was this a terrible result for the SNP? They got almost half the vote and presumably the Greens will cosy up to them in order to make a working Government in return for support for some madcap scheme or other.
It's certainly a great result for the Tories having more than doubled their seat total.0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »I notice a certain group of posters are missing in action today....
Maybe SNP HQ has been too depressed to issue the spin/talking-points denying what a bad result this was for them yet?
Morning Hamish! Sorry if you think that I'm late, but I was up till just after 4.00 am - and no, I'm not a member of any political party so take instructions from nobody, with the possible exception of Mrs Wild Rover and that depends, sometimes, on what she is wearing :whistle:.
While I'd have preferred an overall majority, naturally, I'll happily take the result. For the benefit of my English friends, the lack of an overall majority is not terribly surprising as that is exactly what the electoral system here was specifically designed to achieve. It can't really be compared to parties in a UK general election failing to obtain a majority where only FPTP is used. Can you imagine the squeals of pain from the political parties at Westminster if they had to compete using the same system? :rotfl: The SNP is the ONLY party that has EVER had an overall majority in the Scottish Parliament so I'm sure you won't be too harsh in your assessment:cool:.
The shambles Scottish Labour are now in almost makes up for the narrow miss. Three consectutive SNP victories? No Labour MSPs in Glasgow? GLASGOW:eek:? The Conservatives ahead of Labour? The Greens ahead of the LibDems? The Leader of the Scottish Labour Party thumped by nearly 5,000 votes by a first time candidate?
I've heard 2 betters since the polls closed. The first was from a Labour List candidate, a chap called Docherty, who, when interviewed live on BBC Scotland, compared the Labour manifesto to "self immolation for dummies", commenting on the tax proposals, Trident and Corbyn. Secondly, the deputy Scottish Labour leader Alex Rowley on Radio Scotland this morning commented that they had to get to grips with constitutional issues as he seemingly wants home rule, harking back to Keir Hardie. I found that a little odd, as Scottish Labour spent months complaining about endless discussions on the constitution.
A third successive win in the Scottish Parliament elections isn't bad, and I can assure you that had any other party achieved it....... they'd happily take it too!
Negotiations will presumably have started. If I have a preference, I think I'd prefer something a little firmer than an "issue by issue" vote; maybe not an actual coalition with the Greens, but some kind of agreement short of that.
On Radio Scotland, Henry Mcleish has just complained that the Scottish Labour Party has no policy on the future of Scotland; it seems to me that the electorate agreed with that last night.
Interesting times.
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HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »A good day for Scotland.
A good day for the Parliament. The SNP winning the majority on Constituency seats is counterbalanced by the List seats going to other parties. The process works as planned, unlike the last time.The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
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Was this a terrible result for the SNP? They got almost half the vote and presumably the Greens will cosy up to them in order to make a working Government in return for support for some madcap scheme or other.
It's certainly a great result for the Tories having more than doubled their seat total.
IMO the SNP peaked around the time of the UK general election.
The interesting thing for me is to see whether they can remain as united as a party on the 'side issues' of health, policing spending and taxation as they drift away from being a single issue party.0 -
paparossco wrote: »A good day for the Parliament. The SNP winning the majority on Constituency seats is counterbalanced by the List seats going to other parties. The process works as planned, unlike the last time.
I thought the 'plan' was a perpetual Labour government.
Didn't work out too well0 -
Was this a terrible result for the SNP?
Yes.
They lost their majority, they lost any hope of claiming legitimacy for a second referendum this term, and they lost actual seats to the Tories....
And that's before we even get into the crushed hopes they had of extending their majority on the back of a surge of new SNP support.:)It's certainly a great result for the Tories having more than doubled their seat total.
Yes it is...:D“The great enemy of the truth is very often not the lie – deliberate, contrived, and dishonest – but the myth, persistent, persuasive, and unrealistic.
Belief in myths allows the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.”
-- President John F. Kennedy”0 -
HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »Yes.
They lost their majority, they lost any hope of claiming legitimacy for a second referendum this term, and they lost actual seats to the Tories....
And that's before we even get into the crushed hopes they had of extending their majority on the back of a surge of new SNP support.:)
It'll be interesting to see where the SNP go from here, how they settle down to the mundane operations of Government. It's so much more boring than revolution yet riven with contention: everyone can pull together to smash the English but when you're arguing about whether to fix the roof of a school in Morningside or repaint Ninewells Hospital than you need to pick sides and the losers aren't going to be happy. In Government by necessity you chip away at your own support as resources are finite but the demands of your supporters are not.0 -
I thought the 'plan' was a perpetual Labour government.
Didn't work out too well
Judge for yourself ... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-36202505The highest form of ignorance is when you reject something you don't know anything about.
Wayne Dyer0
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