The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

antrobus

sss555s wrote: »

I would say that given the demographic of the EU vote and the SNP mandate, there is valid reason to explore what's best for the future of Scotland.

You can 'explore' what you like. Doesn't change the facts.

antrobus

.string. wrote: »

Yup, Wallonia was leant upon. Wallonia is part of Belgium which has twice the population of Scotland. ...

More importantly, 'Belgium is a federal state, composed of communities and regions'. Thus the Waloon region had the power to reject CETA. The UK is a unitary state; Scotland can't do anything about Brexit. No leaning is required.

sss555s

antrobus wrote: »

You can 'explore' what you like. Doesn't change the facts.

Time will tell if you're right or just another "facts" guy like Tricky Dicky.

TrickyTree83

sss555s wrote: »

Time will tell if you're right or just another "facts" guy like Tricky Dicky.

Bloody hell...

Tell you what, next time you go into the supermarket to buy something try to convince the people you're buying the stuff from that the price on display isn't the price you believe you should pay.

Try telling them that the facts don't matter and it's how you feel that matters most and that you don't feel it's worth what they're asking for it. See what they say.

Moby

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Because they're not particularly well informed. As is evident by the content of the posts.

The thing that you and others with similar views fail to understand is that those who want Scottish independence often don't give a toss about the economics.....they want to 'take back control' of their own country.....whatever the cost.......surely a Brexittard would understand that;)
People like Churchill didn't ever think the Republic of Ireland could ever break away from the British Empire because of the economics....but they did and I reckon most Irish people are happy they did!

antrobus

sss555s wrote: »

Time will tell if you're right or just another "facts" guy like Tricky Dicky.

What is about the sentence "Some issues remain the responsibility of the UK Parliament alone" that you believe to be non-factual.

Do you not understand what is meant by 'reserved powers'?

http://www.parliament.scot/visitandlearn/education/18642.aspx

TrickyTree83

Moby wrote: »

The thing that you and others with similar views fail to understand is that those who want Scottish independence often don't give a toss about the economics.....they want to 'take back control' of their own country.....whatever the cost.......surely a Brexittard would understand that;)

Again the "you voted brexit" argument.

It doesn't work, once again, I voted to leave to get out of the political institutions. My preference would be EEA/EFTA membership.

Moby

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Again the "you voted brexit" argument.

It doesn't work, once again, I voted to leave to get out of the political institutions. My preference would be EEA/EFTA membership.

So? I'm saying people in Scotland may wish to vote to get out of the political institutions of the UK whatever the cost.....so arguing the toss about the economics misses the point! Similarly many people voted Brexit for the very same reason. It's ironic that the brexitards are those often most nationalistic who exude the attitudes most likely to pull the union apart!

TrickyTree83

Moby wrote: »

So? I'm saying people in Scotland may wish to vote to get out of the political institutions of the UK whatever the cost.....so arguing the toss about the economics misses the point! Similarly many people voted Brexit for the very same reason. It's ironic that the brexitards are those often most nationalistic who exude the attitudes most likely to pull the union apart!

I don't agree, and most wouldn't, that voting to leave the EU to remain in the EEA/EFTA so we're outside of the customs union and can arrange our own bilateral trade deals is in line with how you're trying to portray me, and then in turn use that portrayal as a reason as to why my arguments on the economics of independence are invalid.

Should my view of how I would like our relationship with the EU to be come to fruition there will not even be an independence referendum.

Therefore my argument is based solely around the situation in which there is no single market membership, in which we would probably have another Scottish independence referendum. Then everything I've said about the risk to Scottish trade by leaving the UK and joining the EU is correct. The economics do matter, and you're tirade is misplaced and ill-conceived.

mrginge

Moby wrote: »

So? I'm saying people in Scotland may wish to vote to get out of the political institutions of the UK whatever the cost.....so arguing the toss about the economics misses the point! Similarly many people voted Brexit for the very same reason. It's ironic that the brexitards are those often most nationalistic who exude the attitudes most likely to pull the union apart!

If they don't give a stuff about the economics, why is being in the EU a prerequisite for so many of them?