The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

sss555s

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

So all those businesses, particularly in financial services in Scotland, who said they would move south in 2014 because rUK is their largest market wouldn't move south. Only a few would 'spit their dummy out'?

Scotland would cut it's cloth to fit its needs. If Scotland remained in the EU then there may be more than it's fair share locating North of the border too.
Becoming a new country also has the draw for a lot of companies to locate outlets there. We don't quite have that as much when London is looked on being the UK capital.
I'd honestly expect us to have a net gain (long term) than being 9% of the UK.

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

It's simple maths - again.

11% is not and never will be more important than 64%, no matter how many times the SNP or pro-independence supporters say otherwise. It's just one of those things where mathematics circumvents all conceivable bu**sh*t, whether you like it or not.

Really!? So 64% of a small village with a population of 100 is more important than 11% of a 100m nation?

Looks like your the one talking BS, again.

TrickyTree83

beecher2 wrote: »

I don't understand. Effie is someone who a lot of Unionists follow and I wondered what people who don't live here and are maybe more neutral thought of her posts.

It's a blog, according to Shakey anyone can write biased crap on blogs.

Why is the blog you quote any different to the Whytepaper blog?

Please explain this to me.

Unless of course Shakey was just trapped in a corner because the facts didn't align with the independence dogma?

TrickyTree83

elantan wrote: »

Why don't they ? They did have that petition the other day ... not many English replied :rotfl::rotfl:

You tell me ?

So you think England should just look after itself and throw the Welsh and the Northern Irish to the economic wolves of the world?

What a lovely perspective you have.

Personally as an Englishman, we're the United Kingdom, we are one country, we look after each other. If that means my taxes have to go to Wales, Northern Ireland and Scotland to help you guys get by then so be it. Because we're British, we're one people. If England needs help with something, the other countries can help us out, and vice versa.

I haven't bought into the divisive dogma, I never will, and you shouldn't of either.

TrickyTree83

sss555s wrote: »

Scotland would cut it's cloth to fit its needs. If Scotland remained in the EU then there may be more than it's fair share locating North of the border too.
Becoming a new country also has the draw for a lot of companies to locate outlets there. We don't quite have that as much when London is looked on being the UK capital.
I'd honestly expect us to have a net gain (long term) than being 9% of the UK.



Really!? So 64% of a small village with a population of 100 is more important than 11% of a 100m nation?

Looks like your the one talking BS, again.

Wow. You really have no clue do you? This is going to be a great acid test to see if the independence supporter can take on board reason and evidence, lets check it out and see how we get on...

That's not how those numbers are calculated, again, you've made yourself look stupid, but lets try to correct that.

It's not 64% of the UK population and 11% of the EU population or any other contrived 'example' you can come up with. It is as follows:

It's 64% of all of the external trade that Scotland does with the world, is done in the rest of the UK.

Only 11% of the trade Scotland does with the world is done with the EU.

Do you understand now?

Here, I even googled the Scottish government statistics for you, you know, just in case you don't believe my lies.

http://www.gov.scot/Topics/Statistics/Browse/Economy/Exports/ESSPublication

Detailed PDF:

http://www.gov.scot/Resource/0049/00493251.pdf

beecher2

Tricky do you just want to win an argument, or do you want to change our minds? You've posted endlessly, sometimes at 1am and I find it hard to understand to be honest. I get that economics and facts are really important to you, but I just want to live in a country which makes its own decisions. I believe wellbeing would improve and we would have policies to tackle inequality. The kind of Scotland I want to live in is the debate I want to have, not this never ending 'you can't do it, look at GERS' drivel.

beecher2

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

It's a blog, according to Shakey anyone can write biased crap on blogs.

Why is the blog you quote any different to the Whytepaper blog?

Please explain this to me.

Unless of course Shakey was just trapped in a corner because the facts didn't align with the independence dogma?

Sigh. I think Effie's writing is awful, infantile nonsense. I was wondering what others thought who were maybe more neutral. I think it is more widely read than the one you cite.

elantan

Which part of I think the people best designed to govern the country are the people that have to live with the consequences did u not understand ?


All of a sudden you don't mind some of your taxes going to to other countries ... and yet for such a long time we have had to listen to here is subsidy junkies we pay you we keep you ... but you don't mind .... uh huh OK then

Why don't you want to help out your fellow European? Your all part of one Europe

mollycat

beecher2 wrote: »

Well unfortunately that single voice is often quite unhinged.

Really have to call this out in regard to comment made by in post #4301 regarding my level of understanding of "politics".

Please correct me if i have this wrong, as i feel accuracy of facts is important in political discussion.

1. People who disagree with a pro-independence standpoint are "unhinged"?

2. Presumably then the opposite viewpoint is logical, valid and openly transparent in those regards to all?

That in despite of the page after page of facts, logical reasoning and evidence to the contrary throughout the thread would suggest that the above points are not based in reality.

Quite an interesting morning on the thread.

Of the x2 pro indy posters active at present; 1 is happy to admit he won't be living in scotland long term, this after he has done his best to consigning the rest of us to an economic wilderness.

The other, immediately after professing himself/herself a more sophisticated political thinker than other posters, outs himself as one who regards the opposition viewpoint as "unhinged".

Keep reading folks; day after day, post after post, ridiculous assertion after ridiculous assertion.....this is the best advertisement for rejecting Scottish Independence out there!!

TrickyTree83

elantan wrote: »

Which part of I think the people best designed to govern the country are the people that have to live with the consequences did u not understand ?


All of a sudden you don't mind some of your taxes going to to other countries ... and yet for such a long time we have had to listen to here is subsidy junkies we pay you we keep you ... but you don't mind .... uh huh OK then

You may have listened to other people complain about giving subsidy.

I never have. I accept it. Although if you're going to prepare properly for independence you really should be giving the money back to see if what it would be like without it before you take the plunge. That would be a sensible option to prepare for independence.

You see, you appear to think I agree with your divisive view that Scotland is different and separate. I don't. We're one country, the United Kingdom and we're all represented in Westminster.

Only SNP politics now separates you from the rest of the union. We don't see the same problems in Northern Ireland, and they basically had a war over the issue. The SNP message is toxic and divisive, otherwise we wouldn't be where we are today talking about independence. They've somehow managed to convince you that Westminster doesn't represent you, despite having Scottish PM's, chancellors, party leaders in Westminster over the years. Despite having Labour governments when Scotland voted for Labour, if they failed you that's not the fault of the union, that's Labour. Voting SNP isn't going to help you change that, it's going to make you poor.

Do you think that kind of logic deserves a round of applause? Perhaps, a slow one.

beecher2

elantan wrote: »

Why don't you want to help out your fellow European? Your all part of one Europe

I assume he doesn't feel like a European but can't understand that some people living in Scotland don't regard themselves as British. (62% described themselves as Scottish not British in last census though I expect that's changed after referendum)