The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

beecher2

Kenny Farquharson - 'if indyref was tomorrow, yes would win'.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/c3c114b2-9c7a-11e6-b375-620558266136

When KF is saying this like this then you know something's changed. People who are still against independence are becoming more shrill in Scotland, with mad twitter posts stating that people will buy British Legion poppies rather than Poppy Scotland etc. I think they know the game's up too.

elantan

Moto2 wrote: »

You may just have to pay more duty on a bottle of Buckie?

Don't drink ... but do agree with minimum pricing as a start to measures to deal with the alcohol problem.Scotland has

elantan

kabayiri wrote: »

If independence led to the eventual break up of Scotland, like Eire / NI, would you consider it a price worth paying?

Eire and NI seem to be doing really good just now ... things are looking good for them and Eire in particular are doing better than NI I dare say that could be part of their independence effect

elantan

beecher2 wrote: »

Kenny Farquharson - 'if indyref was tomorrow, yes would win'.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/c3c114b2-9c7a-11e6-b375-620558266136

When KF is saying this like this then you know something's changed. People who are still against independence are becoming more shrill in Scotland, with mad twitter posts stating that people will buy British Legion poppies rather than Poppy Scotland etc. I think they know the game's up too.

I've noticed the shrillness and the swamping of social media ... the negative message's attached to the squeals make me smile .... very rarely do I read about positive of staying in a union ... it's all the negatives I hear ... there must be some scared people out there

beecher2

elantan wrote: »

I've noticed the shrillness and the swamping of social media ... the negative message's attached to the squeals make me smile .... very rarely do I read about positive of staying in a union ... it's all the negatives I hear ... there must be some scared people out there

Me too, if it isn't about Gaelic signs, it is about speaking in Scots. Many feel threatened by the differences within the UK as they want to believe that we are one, homogeneous United Kingdom. I think Tricky would love historywoman and Effie Deans though :rotfl:

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sss555s wrote: »

Have you got any proof for that baloney?

1/ No one knows how well Scotland can navigate post independence and especially if it is in the EU.

2/ The UK is in a dire situation. Debt spiralling out of control and has lost it's power image worldwide...



https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/jul/11/in-us-brexit-shorthand-for-sorry-your-country-failed-eu-referendum

Proof of Scotland's financial situation has been given many times. But:

There Are None So Blind As Those Who Will Not See

For a full explanation of that quote, read the link.

mollycat

beecher2 wrote: »

Kenny Farquharson - 'if indyref was tomorrow, yes would win'.

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/c3c114b2-9c7a-11e6-b375-620558266136

When KF is saying this like this then you know something's changed. People who are still against independence are becoming more shrill in Scotland, with mad twitter posts stating that people will buy British Legion poppies rather than Poppy Scotland etc. I think they know the game's up too.

The bit in bold is by far and away the biggest load of nonsense on this entire page; and that's saying something!!

Regarding the bit in italics; perhaps a section of posters on here need to get away from their social media/SNP insider bubble, go into the streets and speak to regular Joes.

What you'll find is an electorate sick of lies, sick of spin and with a rapidly declining appetite for any further "indyref".

Hope this doesn't come across as too "shrill". :rotfl:

CLAPTON

elantan wrote: »

Eire and NI seem to be doing really good just now ... things are looking good for them and Eire in particular are doing better than NI I dare say that could be part of their independence effect

ireland has net outward migration : is that your vision for an independent scotland?

beecher2

mollycat, it is by Kenny Farquaharson. If you think he's in an SNP bubble then you know less about politics than I already suspected.

Also loving the 'SNP have peaked posts', though Adam Tomkins was surely jesting when he posted
this
https://twitter.com/ProfTomkins/status/791766191983525888

TrickyTree83

elantan wrote: »

I tell you what tricky seeing as it obviously matters a lot to you ... talk me out of wanting independence

The time isn't right.

I've said it time and time again.

Sort your trade imbalance out, sort your deficit spending habits out, prepare the economic case and the rest doesn't matter.

i.e. If you're not adding to the debt of the UK then it's very easy to say you shouldn't be on the hook for it either.

Politically, joining the EU looks like a dangerous play. Those in coastal areas will be gaining less by being independent (joining the EU) than they will if they see out Brexit. Your courts will no longer be the highest in the land, decisions will be made that overrule Scottish preference and you can do nothing about it. You must implement the will of the bureaucracy. Once the EU moves to qualified majority voting after the latest fiasco Scotland will become a voice smaller than Finland that will need to cosy up to a larger country who shares their view, or pick the best of a bad bunch and go with the flow. You won't be heard and have your democratic will implemented, you'll be worse off than you are under Westminster as you'll be poorer, smaller and exploited the same as the EU (Spain) exploits you now.

So independence within the EU doesn't look like independence at all. Independence outside of the EU looks like a better option, EEA/EFTA/customised trade deal - which is what we're looking at with Scotland as part of the UK. You won't possibly know what deal has been negotiated until negotiations are complete. But according to Shakey they're going to ask you before they know the answer to what relations the UK will have with the EU. Sound logic. Not only this but Scotland outside of the EU isn't 'on the table'. Mrs Sturgeon is going about this whole thing wrong and is digging herself into a hole in which independence can only come with the caveat of full fat EU membership, either re-joining or remaining. To which it should seem obvious to reasonable people that this may not be in Scotland's best interests if that impacts rUK trading, Scottish based business, jobs, tax revenue, etc...

If you're going to vote for independence you should do it for the right reasons, at the right time. My argument has always been that the economic case does not make sense right now. There's no wriggling out of that one no matter how many dishonest meme's are produced and circulated amongst the gullible. There is no reason for Scotland to join the EU's political institution, where is the benefit in that for Scotland? I can't see why you would vote to be independent and then give your hard won sovereignty to Brussels immediately after the vote. Because of this, because of the SNP propaganda and some investigative journalism that I believe the EU referendum vote in Scotland was tainted by pro-independence voters as a mechanism for a 2nd independence referendum. The "Remain" 62% will have a large proportion of pro-independence voters who only did vote "Remain" with independence in mind - as the SNP say. What the SNP didn't say was that this would mean you're re-joining/remaining in the EU, at any cost. They have led and are leading you down the garden path to achieve their aim of independence, Nicola can then be forever etched into the annals of history as the woman who won Scotland's independence, where Bonnie Prince Charlie and William Wallace failed, Nicola succeeded. She'll have her bust in Holyrood I'm sure, and Scotland will have been independent, if only for a short period of time before giving it away to the EU. And once the EU decide that the super-state is the only way it will survive, will you be independent still?

So it's possible you could have independence now, but at what cost?

Look, if you can't change your opinions when presented with reason and evidence then all you've got is dogma. And that's all you'll ever have. Then I can't help you/change your mind.