The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

elantan

beecher2 wrote: »

Me too, if it isn't about Gaelic signs, it is about speaking in Scots. Many feel threatened by the differences within the UK as they want to believe that we are one, homogeneous United Kingdom. I think Tricky would love historywoman and Effie Deans though :rotfl:

He would probably be their number one fan ... he should try Muriel Gray and JK Rowling as well

elantan

Erm nope Tricky doesn't work for me ... we've been part of this union for 300 years we need to go it alone now, learns we go ... don't worry though we will still keep in touch.

There will never be a great economic case for being independent, I moved out of my parents house at 16 couldn't afford to but it was time to be independent ... I learned as I went along ... Scotland has some very intelligent people innit, we have hard working people, innovative people ... we have quite a lot going for it ... a great food and drinks industry , tourism , science based industry , energy ...

We.really do have a good diverse place we live in ... we can grow that with our own skills ... it's time ... it's actually over late but hey hopefully the Scottish people will eventually drag themselves up and stand tall and proud instead of weak and bowed ... hopefully they will grab independence with both hands next time

Although to be fair it's probably at a bad time of life for me ... but it's a sacrifice I feel worth paying ... we probably will.be moving abroad anyway

Tromking

beecher2 wrote: »

Me too, if it isn't about Gaelic signs, it is about speaking in Scots. Many feel threatened by the differences within the UK as they want to believe that we are one, homogeneous United Kingdom. I think Tricky would love historywoman and Effie Deans though :rotfl:

What you speak of is merely Scotland`s Unionists finding its single voice at last. Nationalists have had a field day operating in a multi-party environment where the Unionist standpoint meant different things to different parties.
Scotland is well on its way to Ulster style binary politics, their voting choices will begin and probably end with whether you are a Nationalist or a Unionist.Hence the burgeoning support for the Tories in Scotland I would suggest.

mollycat

beecher2 wrote: »

mollycat, it is by Kenny Farquaharson. If you think he's in an SNP bubble then you know less about politics than I already suspected.

Also loving the 'SNP have peaked posts', though Adam Tomkins was surely jesting when he posted
this
https://twitter.com/ProfTomkins/status/791766191983525888

I meant the people who post on here as you well know!

No need for an apology though; regular readers of the thread know that one tactic of the pro SNP brigade who post here is to belittle and mock those who disagree with them.

Despite the content of your posts I will do you the courtesy of witholding my opinion with regard to your political acumen.

Another tactic is to divert the thread away from logic and the need to answer difficult and persistent issues, (currency, deficit, etc,etc), and to move it in a more benign direction, (Effie Deans, Poppy Scotland, Gaelic signs).

Funny thing is; the more you guys post, the weaker your arguement becomes!

:rotfl:

mollycat

Tromking wrote: »

What you speak of is merely Scotland`s Unionists finding its single voice at last. Nationalists have had a field day operating in a multi-party environment where the Unionist standpoint meant different things to different parties.
Scotland is well on its way to Ulster style binary politics, their voting choices will begin and probably end with whether you are a Nationalist or a Unionist.Hence the burgeoning support for the Tories in Scotland I would suggest.

This doesn't sound very "shrill" either does it?

Well said Tromking.

TrickyTree83

elantan wrote: »

Erm nope Tricky doesn't work for me ... we've been part of this union for 300 years we need to go it alone now, learns we go ... don't worry though we will still keep in

You're a dogmatic individual then.

You cannot convince those who are unwilling or unable to process reason and evidence.

According to you, Scotland needs to "go it alone - with the EU". That is the option available to you.

A fully independent Scotland free from the yoke and tyranny of any institution is not on the table.

Sorry.

beecher2

Tromking wrote: »

What you speak of is merely Scotland`s Unionists finding its single voice at last. Nationalists have had a field day operating in a multi-party environment where the Unionist standpoint meant different things to different parties.
Scotland is well on its way to Ulster style binary politics, their voting choices will begin and probably end with whether you are a Nationalist or a Unionist.Hence the burgeoning support for the Tories in Scotland I would suggest.

Well unfortunately that single voice is often quite unhinged. I'd be interested on people's views on Effie Deans though as I think her views are ludicrous but I know some Unionists think she is extremely clever.

http://effiedeans.blogspot.co.uk/

The binary politics in Scotland is frustrating but I wouldn't describe it as Ulsterfication. I support independence but I'm not a nationalist and many who voted No would not wrap themselves in the Union Flag. It is complex and I think the tory vote has as much to do with Blairites realising that it is probably their natural home and the collapse of Scottish Labour. Can't get my head round labour voters moving to tory but Ruth Davidson has done well in detoxifying the brand. Ironically the PR type voting systems in Scotland have served them well.

elantan

We won't always have to stay in the EU though

And nope you will never convince me that any country is better off being governed by another, I will always believe that the people best to make the decisions are the ones that have to live with the consequences

TrickyTree83

elantan wrote: »

Erm nope Tricky doesn't work for me ... we've been part of this union for 300 years we need to go it alone now, learns we go ... don't worry though we will still keep in touch.

There will never be a great economic case for being independent, I moved out of my parents house at 16 couldn't afford to but it was time to be independent ... I learned as I went along ... Scotland has some very intelligent people innit, we have hard working people, innovative people ... we have quite a lot going for it ... a great food and drinks industry , tourism , science based industry , energy ...

We.really do have a good diverse place we live in ... we can grow that with our own skills ... it's time ... it's actually over late but hey hopefully the Scottish people will eventually drag themselves up and stand tall and proud instead of weak and bowed ... hopefully they will grab independence with both hands next time

Although to be fair it's probably at a bad time of life for me ... but it's a sacrifice I feel worth paying ... we probably will.be moving abroad anyway

Couldn't help but reply to this edit.

Why don't the English request that they themselves stand tall, throw off the chains of subsidy (which do exist with Scotland, Wales and N.Ireland) and look after their own? Wonder why that isn't happening. Hmm...

Did I just manage to paint your portrayal of a patriotic Scotland as a selfish, inward looking nation concerned only with it's own people and prosperity?

Or perhaps SNP and pro-indy politics is just divisive, wrong, laughably stupid and has long since outlived it's usefulness in gaining additional devolved powers. If you're not prepared to prepare yourselves for independence (deficit, trade rebalance) how can anyone take you or the SNP seriously?

elantan

beecher2 wrote: »

Well unfortunately that single voice is often quite unhinged. I'd be interested on people's views on Effie Deans though as I think her views are ludicrous but I know some Unionists think she is extremely clever.

http://effiedeans.blogspot.co.uk/

The binary politics in Scotland is frustrating but I wouldn't describe it as Ulsterfication. I support independence but I'm not a nationalist and many who voted No would not wrap themselves in the Union Flag. It is complex and I think the tory vote has as much to do with Blairites realising that it is probably their natural home and the collapse of Scottish Labour. Can't get my head round labour voters moving to tory but Ruth Davidson has done well in detoxifying the brand. Ironically the PR type voting systems in Scotland have served them well.

I don't have a saltire myself ... never really went in for that whole saltire waving carryon ... I do wonder of people are trying to compare us to ulster as a way of attempting to understand what's going on , they are wrong of course but I spose it must help them in some way