The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

mollycat

elantan wrote: »

Erm nope Tricky doesn't work for me ... we've been part of this union for 300 years we need to go it alone now, learns we go ... don't worry though we will still keep in touch.

There will never be a great economic case for being independent, I moved out of my parents house at 16 couldn't afford to but it was time to be independent ... I learned as I went along ... Scotland has some very intelligent people innit, we have hard working people, innovative people ... we have quite a lot going for it ... a great food and drinks industry , tourism , science based industry , energy ...

We.really do have a good diverse place we live in ... we can grow that with our own skills ... it's time ... it's actually over late but hey hopefully the Scottish people will eventually drag themselves up and stand tall and proud instead of weak and bowed ... hopefully they will grab independence with both hands next time

Although to be fair it's probably at a bad time of life for me ... but it's a sacrifice I feel worth paying ... we probably will.be moving abroad anyway

NOW you are pulling my leg!!

In your dreams.....

Destroy the way of life of the rest of us by aggressively promoting Independence.....then jump ship from the economically destitute Scotland.

Fab; thanks mate

TrickyTree83

beecher2 wrote: »

Well unfortunately that single voice is often quite unhinged. I'd be interested on people's views on Effie Deans though as I think her views are ludicrous but I know some Unionists think she is extremely clever.

http://effiedeans.blogspot.co.uk/

The binary politics in Scotland is frustrating but I wouldn't describe it as Ulsterfication. I support independence but I'm not a nationalist and many who voted No would not wrap themselves in the Union Flag. It is complex and I think the tory vote has as much to do with Blairites realising that it is probably their natural home and the collapse of Scottish Labour. Can't get my head round labour voters moving to tory but Ruth Davidson has done well in detoxifying the brand. Ironically the PR type voting systems in Scotland have served them well.

To quote someone who clearly knows more about Scottish politics than I:

"anyone can write any old crap on the internet"

Or is that not an argument?

:rotfl:

beecher2

mollycat wrote: »

I meant the people who post on here as you well know!

No need for an apology though; regular readers of the thread know that one tactic of the pro SNP brigade who post here is to belittle and mock those who disagree with them.

Despite the content of your posts I will do you the courtesy of witholding my opinion with regard to your political acumen.

Another tactic is to divert the thread away from logic and the need to answer difficult and persistent issues, (currency, deficit, etc,etc), and to move it in a more benign direction, (Effie Deans, Poppy Scotland, Gaelic signs).

Funny thing is; the more you guys post, the weaker your arguement becomes!

:rotfl:

I'm not here to convince anyone to support independence or to debate the minutiae - hats off to those who can still debate these issues after all these years but I'm keeping my energy for the IndyRef 2 campaign. TrickyTree has no vote and is just here for the banter I think.

I did think KF's article was interesting though, and his comments on twitter have been quite interesting over the past few months. Not everyone is close minded about changing sides and it is fascinating watching some people's journey towards yes.

TrickyTree83

elantan wrote: »

We won't always have to stay in the EU though

And nope you will never convince me that any country is better off being governed by another, I will always believe that the people best to make the decisions are the ones that have to live with the consequences

You wouldn't have to stay in the EU? So it really was another independence referendum by the back door.

Yeah, you make the decision to become independent - ignoring all of the statistical evidence showing it would be austerity MAX.

And then consider that the decision was for the best because the people of Scotland will have to live with the consequences!

Circular logic?

beecher2

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

To quote someone who clearly knows more about Scottish politics than I:

"anyone can write any old crap on the internet"

Or is that not an argument?

:rotfl:

I don't understand. Effie is someone who a lot of Unionists follow and I wondered what people who don't live here and are maybe more neutral thought of her posts.

elantan

mollycat wrote: »

NOW you are pulling my leg!!

In your dreams.....

Destroy the way of life of the rest of us by aggressively promoting Independence.....then jump ship from the economically destitute Scotland.

Fab; thanks mate

We won't be going for a good wee while if we do go, and if we do it will be due to ill health ...

... and ultimately we will saving the country ... you are very welcome

CLAPTON

elantan wrote: »

We won't always have to stay in the EU though

And nope you will never convince me that any country is better off being governed by another, I will always believe that the people best to make the decisions are the ones that have to live with the consequences

what exactly is a country?

elantan

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

You wouldn't have to stay in the EU? So it really was another independence referendum by the back door.

Yeah, you make the decision to become independent - ignoring all of the statistical evidence showing it would be austerity MAX.

And then consider that the decision was for the best because the people of Scotland will have to live with the consequences!

Circular logic?

I think you are really struggling with the concept that not every yes voter is SNP ... the SNP want to remain in EU ( well to be fair not all members do) not everyone that want independence wants to remain in the EU not everyone that doesn't want independence wants to remain in the EU

They are two very different things

It is conceivable that in say 10-20 years time after we get independence if beING in the EU no longer suits our country then it may choose to leave ... it will be up to us decide our future ... that's the beauty of being independent we get to say what happens

TrickyTree83

beecher2 wrote: »

I'm not here to convince anyone to support independence or to debate the minutiae - hats off to those who can still debate these issues after all these years but I'm keeping my energy for the IndyRef 2 campaign. TrickyTree has no vote and is just here for the banter I think.

I did think KF's article was interesting though, and his comments on twitter have been quite interesting over the past few months. Not everyone is close minded about changing sides and it is fascinating watching some people's journey towards yes.

Again singling me out as someone of nothing in the race, I can only think it's because you've got nothing on the economics as has been proved again, and again, and again.

If I'd have been proved conclusively wrong that the economic argument doesn't stand up to scrutiny and that an independent Scotland would be better off and people wouldn't be poorer, I'd of disappeared ages ago. Even your esteemed Alex Salmond tried to make a positive economic case, he failed, but at least he tried. You lot are making a right hash of it and are trying to get it in via the back door using the EU referendum result.

But I haven't disappeared, because the independence supporters come across as a bunch of dogmatic zealots unwilling to listen to reason or evidence for fear their staunch dogma is wrong - which it is at this moment in time.

elantan

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Couldn't help but reply to this edit.

Why don't the English request that they themselves stand tall, throw off the chains of subsidy (which do exist with Scotland, Wales and N.Ireland) and look after their own? Wonder why that isn't happening. Hmm...

Did I just manage to paint your portrayal of a patriotic Scotland as a selfish, inward looking nation concerned only with it's own people and prosperity?

Or perhaps SNP and pro-indy politics is just divisive, wrong, laughably stupid and has long since outlived it's usefulness in gaining additional devolved powers. If you're not prepared to prepare yourselves for independence (deficit, trade rebalance) how can anyone take you or the SNP seriously?

Why don't they ? They did have that petition the other day ... not many English replied :rotfl::rotfl:

You tell me ?